F15 pilots - world's best? - discuss.
The best pilots in the world probably fly any type you care to mention. Glider pilots, crop dusters 747-400's, Harrier, F3 - who knows. The best pilots are not confined to one type. I've hosed F15s that were in the middle of the fight with no SA and similarly been hosed by too many types to mention!!
I still think it's a healthy attitude to walk into any crew room and quietly think - "I reckon I'm probably better than all of you" the same way that top athletes have to think the same. The key word is "quietly". If you have to say it, then you probably ain't!!
I still think it's a healthy attitude to walk into any crew room and quietly think - "I reckon I'm probably better than all of you" the same way that top athletes have to think the same. The key word is "quietly". If you have to say it, then you probably ain't!!
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Lads and ladettes!
A bit of seasonal goodwill!
You can't name best pilot these days! We're all specialists in our own areas.
Could I throw a fighter jet round at 20,000 ft and shoot some other bugger down? Could I bollocks! Could a jet jockey take my sweet whirly bird downwind to a confined area with two foot clearance round the rotor disc? Not if his arse depended on it!
Who needs to be the best anyway.
I'm currently still Landings = Takeoffs and I'm seeing my little boy in the morning. Happy!
Merry Christmas Everybody (even F15 pilots!)
and a Very Happy New Year
T
A bit of seasonal goodwill!
You can't name best pilot these days! We're all specialists in our own areas.
Could I throw a fighter jet round at 20,000 ft and shoot some other bugger down? Could I bollocks! Could a jet jockey take my sweet whirly bird downwind to a confined area with two foot clearance round the rotor disc? Not if his arse depended on it!
Who needs to be the best anyway.
I'm currently still Landings = Takeoffs and I'm seeing my little boy in the morning. Happy!
Merry Christmas Everybody (even F15 pilots!)
and a Very Happy New Year
T
Having fighter pilots look up to you...no big deal. They do it all the time when riding my winch wire! (....and gladly too I might add!)
The best pilots in the world probably fly 747-400s, or some other large airliner. The best weapons platform operators in the world? - Probably the Israelis...
Well said wessex 
I've got plenty of F-15 HUD footage under the pipper!! Pitty I can't post it up!
F-15's are great at BVR stuff....their radars are good, I'll give them that, but in the visual arena, well.....I liken them to a flying tennis court!......big bullet catcher
I've got plenty of F-15 HUD footage under the pipper!! Pitty I can't post it up!
F-15's are great at BVR stuff....their radars are good, I'll give them that, but in the visual arena, well.....I liken them to a flying tennis court!......big bullet catcher
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F15s the best????
TruBlu351 - there's only one dude I can think of with both F15 footage and a love of 351s!!!! - I can still vividly remember those trips to work with the earplugs in!
When are you coming back to something with a HUD????
When are you coming back to something with a HUD????
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When US Congress is threatening to cut both F22 and JSF projects, what better way to ensure these multi $Billion projects' survival than to hype up the need for an F15 replacement?
"Hell yeah we really do need that cold war concept F22 now we are getting smoked by those pesky Indians, Brits etc etc!" Typical quote by Texan Republican Senator Mr LockheedMartin.
What are a 4-ship of F22's gonna do against a kid with a claymore blowing up a Hummer?
Why oh why didn't I buy shares in Lockheed, Halliburton Corp, The Carlyle Group etc etc!!!!
"Hell yeah we really do need that cold war concept F22 now we are getting smoked by those pesky Indians, Brits etc etc!" Typical quote by Texan Republican Senator Mr LockheedMartin.
What are a 4-ship of F22's gonna do against a kid with a claymore blowing up a Hummer?
Why oh why didn't I buy shares in Lockheed, Halliburton Corp, The Carlyle Group etc etc!!!!
>Suvarnabhumi
Good point.
The problem is not winning air superiority. Nor is it dropping bombs down small holes. Nor is it flying around at fifty twelve feet and taking pictures. Nor is it blowing up tanks....
The problem now and for the next 40 years is very simple..
Stop 'them' wanting to blow the poor bloody infantry and the civilians brains all over the shop.
Yer F-22 will be great. No doubt. And no doubt no terrorist will ever get within 500 miles of one. And what if he did? Big deal.
Good point.
The problem is not winning air superiority. Nor is it dropping bombs down small holes. Nor is it flying around at fifty twelve feet and taking pictures. Nor is it blowing up tanks....
The problem now and for the next 40 years is very simple..
Stop 'them' wanting to blow the poor bloody infantry and the civilians brains all over the shop.
Yer F-22 will be great. No doubt. And no doubt no terrorist will ever get within 500 miles of one. And what if he did? Big deal.
Toad,
There is a small country called China...a smaller country called Russia....and a few others out there who might be quiet...but who are not tame.
We always seem to fight the current war using the last war's equipment and tactics....
Remember some places called Singapore, Bataan, Dunkirk....The Somme.....The Falklands?
There is a small country called China...a smaller country called Russia....and a few others out there who might be quiet...but who are not tame.
We always seem to fight the current war using the last war's equipment and tactics....
Remember some places called Singapore, Bataan, Dunkirk....The Somme.....The Falklands?
So this war; did we see it coming? What weapons for which war are we fighting it with? If our 'intelligence' or our political motivation are anything to go by then it isn't our weapons that are the issue. Nor is it the qualities of the services.
We were not prepared for this war because it was ignored that whilst 'we' are now the most pow(d)erful nation(s) on earth we are also the most gullible, naive and selfish.
I'm a bit drunk but frankly the politicians owe the armed forces not only the best weapons and infrastructure to fight they also have the greatest responsibility for making sure the forces do not have to do what they are trained for.
What that had to do with an F-15 or whatever I don't know...
Happy New Year.
We were not prepared for this war because it was ignored that whilst 'we' are now the most pow(d)erful nation(s) on earth we are also the most gullible, naive and selfish.
I'm a bit drunk but frankly the politicians owe the armed forces not only the best weapons and infrastructure to fight they also have the greatest responsibility for making sure the forces do not have to do what they are trained for.
What that had to do with an F-15 or whatever I don't know...
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I don't doubt there is some truth to various comments about downplaying the F-15's effectiveness in order to plump up the arguements for buying F-22s and F-35s, but one fact remains:
The F-15C is getting long in the tooth. It does need to be replaced.
Nickname of the 67th FS at Kadena AB is supposed to be the "Fighting Cocks," instead the stickboys refer to themselves as "Jurassiac Cocks."
The F-15C is getting long in the tooth. It does need to be replaced.
Nickname of the 67th FS at Kadena AB is supposed to be the "Fighting Cocks," instead the stickboys refer to themselves as "Jurassiac Cocks."
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There's no guarantee that in the next Allied adventure the Services will be faced with the same air opposition as Bosnia and Iraq. It is quite feasible that the country/coalition we'll be facing has been supplied with sophisticated aircraft that's on a par with the current generation of our jets. The USAF found the IAF a formidable enemy during the latest exercise.
It is a mistake to rest on your laurals - telling yourself and your countrymen that you are finest in the world does not necessarily make it so. I believe the US is right to get ahead with the latest.
For a number of reasons. Firstly, there is survivability. The people back home do not like bodies in bags - they like them in victory parades. Then there is the ability to hit your target undetected - witness the success of the F117 in GW1. And then there is the need to produce accuracy stats like never before been required; precision bombing to the foot in all weathers requires a high degree of sophistication in your technology. All the while guarding against the cleaner pulling the plug to plug in the vaccuum cleaner [robustness].
Of course it all comes at a price, and there's the rub. It is down to the politicians to figure out how many bodies they can survive politically without them losing too much popularity. After all, if you carefully ask the question, you'll get the answer you want [like - 'what would you rather spend your money on - killing people or paying less tax?'] You get the drift...
It is a mistake to rest on your laurals - telling yourself and your countrymen that you are finest in the world does not necessarily make it so. I believe the US is right to get ahead with the latest.
For a number of reasons. Firstly, there is survivability. The people back home do not like bodies in bags - they like them in victory parades. Then there is the ability to hit your target undetected - witness the success of the F117 in GW1. And then there is the need to produce accuracy stats like never before been required; precision bombing to the foot in all weathers requires a high degree of sophistication in your technology. All the while guarding against the cleaner pulling the plug to plug in the vaccuum cleaner [robustness].
Of course it all comes at a price, and there's the rub. It is down to the politicians to figure out how many bodies they can survive politically without them losing too much popularity. After all, if you carefully ask the question, you'll get the answer you want [like - 'what would you rather spend your money on - killing people or paying less tax?'] You get the drift...
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
F15 pilots - world's best? - discuss.
BBC - The AAIB report went on: "Inadequate transmission and acknowledgements of clearances within the formation plus the crews' inability to fly either as a coherent formation or as two independent aircraft during the diversion were major contributory factors to the ensuing general confusion".
"Also poor use was made of the highly sophisticated aids available to the crews in monitoring fuel loads, monitoring ground position and using airborne radar."
BBC - The AAIB report went on: "Inadequate transmission and acknowledgements of clearances within the formation plus the crews' inability to fly either as a coherent formation or as two independent aircraft during the diversion were major contributory factors to the ensuing general confusion".
"Also poor use was made of the highly sophisticated aids available to the crews in monitoring fuel loads, monitoring ground position and using airborne radar."
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And to raise the other argument, these were [I]single[I] seat aircraft.
Is the two-seat argument really done and dusted?
Is the two-seat argument really done and dusted?
Actually, they were reported to be F-15Es....
The Mud Hen is, of course, a 2-seater, probably the most sophisticated fighter bomber in the world.
This does not seem to have been a starring moment for the crews involved; however, we have yet to learn their side of the story.
The Mud Hen is, of course, a 2-seater, probably the most sophisticated fighter bomber in the world.
This does not seem to have been a starring moment for the crews involved; however, we have yet to learn their side of the story.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...