Sea Jet disposals
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Sorry if this has already been covered in the Sea Jet thread, but with 60 odd pages I could`nt be bothered scrolling through them.
Does anyone know what is going to happen to the SHAR airframes after retirement from service. Will they be available to museums etc to buy?
Does anyone know what is going to happen to the SHAR airframes after retirement from service. Will they be available to museums etc to buy?
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A few have already been moved into museums. Midland Aviation Museum at Coventry has one, as has the Newark Aviation Museum at . . er. . . Newark. And, I think, East Fortune in Scotland.
I think there are a couple of others ready to be shipped as well after "spares recovery". Although, if the FAA is getting rid of them why they need to recover spares is a mystery.
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I think there are a couple of others ready to be shipped as well after "spares recovery". Although, if the FAA is getting rid of them why they need to recover spares is a mystery.
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At least putting it in a museum is not final 
After the Nott cuts we had to 'rob' the Shackleton at the Manchester Science museum after our groundcrew managed to pull the tail off one of the 5 remaining kites.
At first we were elated until the museum agreed to the rob.
After the Nott cuts we had to 'rob' the Shackleton at the Manchester Science museum after our groundcrew managed to pull the tail off one of the 5 remaining kites.
At first we were elated until the museum agreed to the rob.
We'd have to rob the entire aircraft........
Why does a farce of buying the aircraft back from museums and buying/borrowing engines from the Indian Navy come to mind?
New Labour: You couldn't make it up.
Why does a farce of buying the aircraft back from museums and buying/borrowing engines from the Indian Navy come to mind?
New Labour: You couldn't make it up.
There is - it's the pub belonging to the chap who bought the Vulcan and then discovered that he couldn't move it and ended up paying a ridiculous amount of rent on top of the e-bay price. Seems the SHAR was a little easier to put fit in the beer garden.
WEBF,
It's you that's making it up NOT NOO Labour!!!
It may come to your mind but it won't to anybody elses.
It was the Tories who had to resort to robbing Vulcan AAR probes from museum aircraft in 1982.
The SHAR is about to become history, it won't be needed, it won't be coming back and it won't be missed.
Get used to it and move on.
It's you that's making it up NOT NOO Labour!!!
It may come to your mind but it won't to anybody elses.
It was the Tories who had to resort to robbing Vulcan AAR probes from museum aircraft in 1982.
The SHAR is about to become history, it won't be needed, it won't be coming back and it won't be missed.
Get used to it and move on.
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If you’re looking for a SHAR, try witham specialist vehicles… They have one for sale at the moment… Airframe looks largely complete but it’s missing the engine and seat… I don’t know what else has gone from the cockpit.
http://www.witham-sv.com/
I can see it on their web site so give them a call… It was defiantly there a week or so ago!
GD
http://www.witham-sv.com/
I can see it on their web site so give them a call… It was defiantly there a week or so ago!
GD
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The SHAR is about to become history, it won't be needed, it won't be coming back and it won't be missed.
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Navaleye,
Without getting into the "Oh yes we can" "Oh no you can't" argument, there are several instances where the RAF deployed rather faster than the RN could.
In recent times, 29 Sqn F4s deployed to Gibraltar in hours after the US strike on Libya. Then in Aug 90 F3s deployed to the Gulf in hours when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
Obviously RN in theatre forces are at greater state of availability but in the 2 cases I have cited, both home based sqns had not been warned for deployment. They were certainly the 'ready' sqns but there was no thoughts of deployment to where they actually went. 29 sqn's role was to reinforce AFNorth!
Without getting into the "Oh yes we can" "Oh no you can't" argument, there are several instances where the RAF deployed rather faster than the RN could.
In recent times, 29 Sqn F4s deployed to Gibraltar in hours after the US strike on Libya. Then in Aug 90 F3s deployed to the Gulf in hours when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
Obviously RN in theatre forces are at greater state of availability but in the 2 cases I have cited, both home based sqns had not been warned for deployment. They were certainly the 'ready' sqns but there was no thoughts of deployment to where they actually went. 29 sqn's role was to reinforce AFNorth!
The Indians were interested in the FA.2 airframes.
The following from 2002:
"Mr. Jenkin: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what recent representations he has received from the Indian Government about the purchase of Fleet Air Arm Sea Harriers. [49761]
Dr. Moonie: Officials within the Ministry of Defence have received inquiries from representatives of the Government of India regarding the future availability of surplus Fleet Air Arm Sea Harriers. As part of its marketing strategy for the sale of these aircraft, the Disposal Services Agency will follow up all expressions of interests accordingly, subject, of course, to the normal export controls."
The following from 2002:
"Mr. Jenkin: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what recent representations he has received from the Indian Government about the purchase of Fleet Air Arm Sea Harriers. [49761]
Dr. Moonie: Officials within the Ministry of Defence have received inquiries from representatives of the Government of India regarding the future availability of surplus Fleet Air Arm Sea Harriers. As part of its marketing strategy for the sale of these aircraft, the Disposal Services Agency will follow up all expressions of interests accordingly, subject, of course, to the normal export controls."
But.........
The Indians were interested in the FA.2 airframes.
Surely they cannot operate in a hot climate? After all that's part of the reason were losing them.
Oh, maybe they can. You're not suggesting that the Government were lying?
The Indians were interested in the FA.2 airframes.
Surely they cannot operate in a hot climate? After all that's part of the reason were losing them.
Oh, maybe they can. You're not suggesting that the Government were lying?
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Prone wrote:
I had no idea that the tories fixed aircraft as well as run a political party I wonder if they do cars as well. My Mondeo needs a service.
It was the Tories who had to resort to robbing Vulcan AAR probes from museum aircraft in 1982.
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WEBF,
You tell 'em, after all those thousands of hours flying the aircraft give you such firm ground to state the performance case on.
Or when you said the government did you mean those of us who don't tow your myopic and intransigent line?
Do you think it's just possible that a nation (India) might maintain a capability just to show the other nations in the vicinity how cool they are? Or could it be that the Indian Navy has a really strong air arm lobby that, unlike the UK, listens to whatever they say? (No matter how ineffective?) Maybe the Indian Navy wants to keep some kind of fixed wing at sea until (if ever) they get CTOL aircraft to sea?
But you could be right. It could be a conspiracy that you, and only you, are smart enough to see.
You tell 'em, after all those thousands of hours flying the aircraft give you such firm ground to state the performance case on.
Or when you said the government did you mean those of us who don't tow your myopic and intransigent line?
Do you think it's just possible that a nation (India) might maintain a capability just to show the other nations in the vicinity how cool they are? Or could it be that the Indian Navy has a really strong air arm lobby that, unlike the UK, listens to whatever they say? (No matter how ineffective?) Maybe the Indian Navy wants to keep some kind of fixed wing at sea until (if ever) they get CTOL aircraft to sea?
But you could be right. It could be a conspiracy that you, and only you, are smart enough to see.
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I think the Indian's will be laughing all the way to the bank! They can buy our 'ineffective' Sea Harrier F/A.2's for peanuts. Slap in a generic radar and have some incredibly cheap fleet air defence that can be land based if needed and be used to look 'cool' next time the border flares up with Pakistan.
I would love to know how much many of these F/A.2's cost to build for the FAA as 'new builds' - must have been incredibly costly - to think you can buy one sans the fun bits for 6k ish!
I would love to know how much many of these F/A.2's cost to build for the FAA as 'new builds' - must have been incredibly costly - to think you can buy one sans the fun bits for 6k ish!