MoD pays £5 Million to plane crash victims family - Update
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I am led to believe that while the MoD usually carries its own risk, it is reluctant to carry anyone else's and has bought commercial insurance to cover just such an eventuality as this accident. I have no specific knowledge of this accident but it may be that the insurer has elected to settle out-of-court to reduce it's potential exposure.
If this is the case then, the MoD will have no choice but to agree, or cover any losses from the Defence Budget. Of course if this is what has happened, the insurer will have picked up the £5m bill.
This is all pure speculation but seems to fit the facts.
If this is the case then, the MoD will have no choice but to agree, or cover any losses from the Defence Budget. Of course if this is what has happened, the insurer will have picked up the £5m bill.
This is all pure speculation but seems to fit the facts.
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Actually I thought the way it worked, having had a friend who tried to go GA into waddo(non Airshow), is that the MOD insist the visiting ac has its own insurance.
No insurance = no land?
HMG and therefore the MOD NEVER have insurance except as required by overseas law and then only the absolute minimum. I believe that in this case the £5 mill is actually coming from the taxpayer via the already overstretched annual Defence Budget.
And it isn't like GA doesn't have enough airfield estate of their own throughout our isle!!
No insurance = no land?
HMG and therefore the MOD NEVER have insurance except as required by overseas law and then only the absolute minimum. I believe that in this case the £5 mill is actually coming from the taxpayer via the already overstretched annual Defence Budget.
And it isn't like GA doesn't have enough airfield estate of their own throughout our isle!!
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As I understand it -
The MoD requires civvies visiting military airfields to have a prescribed minimum level of insurance so that there are funds to cover a claim against them by the MoD for damage/injury they cause when visiting.
I don't know if this applies to all military airfields but the MoD definitely has commercial insurance at some airfields to cover claims against the MoD for damage/injury caused to visiting civvies. As far as I know, the insurance only cover incidents on airfield and the MoD bears the risk for any damage caused by military aircraft elsewhere.
The MoD requires civvies visiting military airfields to have a prescribed minimum level of insurance so that there are funds to cover a claim against them by the MoD for damage/injury they cause when visiting.
I don't know if this applies to all military airfields but the MoD definitely has commercial insurance at some airfields to cover claims against the MoD for damage/injury caused to visiting civvies. As far as I know, the insurance only cover incidents on airfield and the MoD bears the risk for any damage caused by military aircraft elsewhere.
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And it isn't like GA doesn't have enough airfield estate of their own throughout our isle!!
actually just name 2
ok one then.
name 3 all weather GA runways within 20 miles of St Mawgan
Perranporth is one
[Truro is another
Oh how clever to restrict yourself to just 20 miles.
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24 miles - Culdrose
About 30 miles - Lands End
About 30 miles - Plymouth City
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"Actually I thought the way it worked, having had a friend who tried to go GA into waddo(non Airshow), is that the MOD insist the visiting ac has its own insurance.
No insurance = no land?"
No, I don't think that is the way it works. If you don't have proof of the cover you will be charged a pro rata amount on landing on top of the landing fee. If you have the required insurance, you can appply to the MOD for an aircraft waiver certificate on an annual basis.
No insurance = no land?"
No, I don't think that is the way it works. If you don't have proof of the cover you will be charged a pro rata amount on landing on top of the landing fee. If you have the required insurance, you can appply to the MOD for an aircraft waiver certificate on an annual basis.
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No, I don't think that is the way it works.
Ask a friendly Military Air Trafficker (oxymoron?) for a shufti at JSP 360 - "Regulations and Charges for Civil Aircraft Using MoD Airfields."
It does exactly what it says on the tin!
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Perranporth is one
Truro is another
Oh how clever to restrict yourself to just 20 miles.
Bodmin
24 miles - Culdrose
About 30 miles - Lands End
About 30 miles - Plymouth City
Truro is another
Oh how clever to restrict yourself to just 20 miles.
Bodmin
24 miles - Culdrose
About 30 miles - Lands End
About 30 miles - Plymouth City
Perranporth ok its hard surface but has nil lighting
Truro : grass
Bodmin : grass
Culdrose er that was military last time I looked and I was responding to the post wanting to ban GA from military airfields
lands end : grass
plymouth city try 45 miles by road and 1:30+ to drive it.
The point I'm trying to make is there is no justification for banning GA from mil fields particularly those that don't have much going on anyhow.
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Actually I thought the way it worked, having had a friend who tried to go GA into waddo(non Airshow), is that the MOD insist the visiting ac has its own insurance.
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Back to topic - the captain has been told he won't get another flying appointment, despite being exonerated. There's thanks for 25 plus year's service.
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The point I'm trying to make is there is no justification for banning GA from mil fields particularly those that don't have much going on anyhow.
There's no requirement for MoD fields to be open to GA; so if people are going to turn round and drag them to court when they have an accident, why take the risk?
Strange that whilst the MOD states you can't be exonerated by a BOI, it had no problem with grounding Pete (and therefore implying guilt) after the first one. Very shabby treatment and double standards.
That really is an awful way to treat your own people, especially someone with that length of service. Someone with egg on their hat should be thoroughly ashamed.
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We keep forgetting that the moment someone on the way up leaves the "coal-face" they stop caring about those they left behind.
Binny was always going to be the sacraficial goat. I knew him on big-props and wokkas and I always admired his straightness. But being the sort of bloke who calls a spade an effing shovel doesn't help when you have to fight your corner in a small-minded beauraucracy such as the 21stC RAF. Sooner or later the powers that be would have a sense-of humour- failure and not stand by their man. This is it.
The two lessons from this are:
1. Civvies sould stick to their grass strips and
2. Do no turn your back on a senior officer.
ohh and
3. Markers.
Binny was always going to be the sacraficial goat. I knew him on big-props and wokkas and I always admired his straightness. But being the sort of bloke who calls a spade an effing shovel doesn't help when you have to fight your corner in a small-minded beauraucracy such as the 21stC RAF. Sooner or later the powers that be would have a sense-of humour- failure and not stand by their man. This is it.
The two lessons from this are:
1. Civvies sould stick to their grass strips and
2. Do no turn your back on a senior officer.
ohh and
3. Markers.
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The two lessons from this are:
1. Civvies sould stick to their grass strips and
1. Civvies sould stick to their grass strips and
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1/ All members of the military should be barred from serving on BoIs as they obviously know sod all about crash investigation and just shoot themselves in the foot.
2/ The MoD should have the courage of its convictions and when inappropriately sued should defend its staff and their reputations.
3/ ban all military aircraft SAR or otherwise from civil airports and civil airspace cos oooh we might be sued if someone hurts themselves.
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