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I don't know about disgraceful, but how long before OBL and his crews get's the same idea? After all, we showed the way when Maskelyne managed to hide the entire Suez Canal with lights and mirrors.
I imagine if the Iraqi Insurgents / Resistance were to set some powerful strobes on NVG-equipped chopper pilots, it could prove a bit of a problem.
I imagine if the Iraqi Insurgents / Resistance were to set some powerful strobes on NVG-equipped chopper pilots, it could prove a bit of a problem.
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The choppers could have crashed!
If they had, and lives had been lost, would the farmers (or whoever the hell they were), been charged with Murder?
Irresponsible behaviour.
The choppers could have crashed!
If they had, and lives had been lost, would the farmers (or whoever the hell they were), been charged with Murder?
Irresponsible behaviour.
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Wasn't talking about the nice farmers. What is disgraceful is....
There was a day that you would be presented with a white feather for that kind of behaviour.
The pilots were so alarmed by the “attack” at Long Crichel,Dorset, that they aborted their mission and returned to base
There was a day that you would be presented with a white feather for that kind of behaviour.
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I have an idea.
Why not call up the chaps in Odiham, and ask for some "close air support" from a Wokka or two.
Apache hovers in the area of concern, baiting out the f***wits with torches. Said f***wits get their maglites out. As if like magic, a 3-ship of Wokkas appear over the (downwind) horizon and direct several Kilowatts of Night Sun onto the farmers. Then close to a low hover and give them about 30 tons of downwash. Would scare the **** out of them. All over in about a minute, problem solved. If they think a single Apache is scary, this little trick ought to make them think twice.
Good night flying exercise, practicing battlefield cooperation.
Assuming there are three serviceable Wokkas in Odiham, of course.
Why not call up the chaps in Odiham, and ask for some "close air support" from a Wokka or two.
Apache hovers in the area of concern, baiting out the f***wits with torches. Said f***wits get their maglites out. As if like magic, a 3-ship of Wokkas appear over the (downwind) horizon and direct several Kilowatts of Night Sun onto the farmers. Then close to a low hover and give them about 30 tons of downwash. Would scare the **** out of them. All over in about a minute, problem solved. If they think a single Apache is scary, this little trick ought to make them think twice.
Good night flying exercise, practicing battlefield cooperation.
Assuming there are three serviceable Wokkas in Odiham, of course.
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What a stupid bunch of idiots! Hard to believe that they could do something so daft. What would the outcome have been if one of the drivers had lost control and it crashed on them. What would they have done then? There is NO excuse at all for endangering an aircraft, not even for horses, farmers and rabbits!
The police should not hold back on this - they should throw the book at them. They could have killed some of our finest and possibly some of theirs!
Training is training and they had better get used to it!
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The police should not hold back on this - they should throw the book at them. They could have killed some of our finest and possibly some of theirs!
Training is training and they had better get used to it!
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Thats all very well you saying that, but its not your house, garden, horse, animals they are hovering over. NIMBY or what???
They Army have got Salisbury Plain to conduct their training. Why conduct training over a rural area when you can conduct your training on a quiet, livelihood free area?
They Army have got Salisbury Plain to conduct their training. Why conduct training over a rural area when you can conduct your training on a quiet, livelihood free area?
Thats all very well you saying that, but its not your house, garden, horse, animals they are hovering over. NIMBY or what???
My parents live in Suffolk, and I grew up there.
Theres always been a large number of low flying Chinooks flying over their small village. Recently theres been a few apaches too, and the occasional fast jet and Herc.
My parents (and me) have always appreciated the need for low level flying, even though they have pets which get scared $h1tless.
My parents neighbour also keeps horses, and he too understands the need (though he is ex army, and probably has a greater understandin than Joe Average).
I just think endangering peoples lives like that is completely irresponsible.
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So do I. So thats why they should go to Salisbury and operate over the Plain. Endangering the lives of innocent civilians is something that the Military needs to steer well clear of. The Armed Forces would not be able to recover from another LF incident. It is totally and utterly irresponsible to be putting lives at risk just for the benefit of flying training.
Fair point.
But there'll still be Chinooks, Pumas, Hercs, Fast Jets etc still flying Low Level.
Unfotunately its inevitable that people will be disturbed by it, and livestock scared etc.
But there'll still be Chinooks, Pumas, Hercs, Fast Jets etc still flying Low Level.
Unfotunately its inevitable that people will be disturbed by it, and livestock scared etc.
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Unfotunately its inevitable that people will be disturbed by it, and livestock scared etc
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Had the AAC recced in daylight and warned the locals/landowners of the training?
If not, why not? Benson puts out warnings about night flying.
Anyway AlQ don't need to bother with RPG7s any longer - just tool up with some Maglites and they'll see off the aircav...
If not, why not? Benson puts out warnings about night flying.
Anyway AlQ don't need to bother with RPG7s any longer - just tool up with some Maglites and they'll see off the aircav...
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Vec, me old,
Military helo ops do not endanger the lives of civilians with the very rare exception of riders (but we've flogged that to death more times than I can remember).
I can also tell you that British military helicopters do not hover over civilian houses and gardens except on SAR missions where civvy lives are being saved. A lot of people have no idea of the effort and restrictions that go into minimising nuisance to the general public to a reasonable level and beyond.
The problem of people using lasers and high power torches is significant. The police need to grip this situation because it is a very real danger - I have been flying at about 250ft at night and had the entire crew's NVGs backed off by some t*at with a spotlight (it's happened in the hover in a confined area as well). They'd think twice if we were allowed to send a bit of lead laser back the other way.
Endangering the lives of innocent civilians is something that the Military needs to steer well clear of. The Armed Forces would not be able to recover from another LF incident. It is totally and utterly irresponsible to be putting lives at risk just for the benefit of flying training.
I can also tell you that British military helicopters do not hover over civilian houses and gardens except on SAR missions where civvy lives are being saved. A lot of people have no idea of the effort and restrictions that go into minimising nuisance to the general public to a reasonable level and beyond.
The problem of people using lasers and high power torches is significant. The police need to grip this situation because it is a very real danger - I have been flying at about 250ft at night and had the entire crew's NVGs backed off by some t*at with a spotlight (it's happened in the hover in a confined area as well). They'd think twice if we were allowed to send a bit of lead laser back the other way.
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One phrase that comes to mind for me in this case,
Actions On!
What are the actions on for contact with the enemy, during any phase of the mission?
If this was in a training scenario especially, then the actions should be taken...No?
Actions on NVG Systems failure?
There must be some there somewhere!
Or will the IA on encountering anything daring to alter the mission profile of the almighty Apache, be to run home and tell mother?
Just curious in these changing times,
SS
Actions On!
What are the actions on for contact with the enemy, during any phase of the mission?
If this was in a training scenario especially, then the actions should be taken...No?
Actions on NVG Systems failure?
There must be some there somewhere!
Or will the IA on encountering anything daring to alter the mission profile of the almighty Apache, be to run home and tell mother?
Just curious in these changing times,
SS
According to our local paper, the landowner at Crichel Down had given the army permission to use his land for low-flying exercises.
The culprits are probably local yobs or poachers out rabbit spotting.
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The culprits are probably local yobs or poachers out rabbit spotting.
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Take note any future adversaries - shine a light in an apaches face. All T-55's around the world are being fitted with the foglight from the options pack as we speak.
But seriously, is this not a massive problem? Will Apaches be cleared for operations in war zones with street lights? What about illumination flares fired by troops?
But seriously, is this not a massive problem? Will Apaches be cleared for operations in war zones with street lights? What about illumination flares fired by troops?
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Silsoe,
Not a very informed post if I may say so, you need to check out what an Apache is equipped with, IMHO,
HEDP
Oh, and the actions on would be to neutralise the threat, perhaps not acceptable in blighty!
Not a very informed post if I may say so, you need to check out what an Apache is equipped with, IMHO,
HEDP
Oh, and the actions on would be to neutralise the threat, perhaps not acceptable in blighty!
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I was sorely dissappointed!
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Silsoe,
Not a very informed post if I may say so, you need to check out what an Apache is equipped with, IMHO,
HEDP
Oh, and the actions on would be to neutralise the threat, perhaps not acceptable in blighty!
Not a very informed post if I may say so, you need to check out what an Apache is equipped with, IMHO,
HEDP
Oh, and the actions on would be to neutralise the threat, perhaps not acceptable in blighty!
Actions on NVG failure - Neutralise Darkness!!!!
Hardly surprising it would not be acceptable in blighty!!!!
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