PVR from RAF IOT
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I've been told that as long as you go for 28 days in IOT, you're then allowed to quit if it's not for you!
Can anyone confirm this??
I know you've got to be 100% before committing but this is a chance in a life time and to be unsure I think is only natural, everyone has doubts at some stage...
Thanks, 40k
Can anyone confirm this??
I know you've got to be 100% before committing but this is a chance in a life time and to be unsure I think is only natural, everyone has doubts at some stage...
Thanks, 40k
Not sure about the 28-day thing, think you can VW at any time during training, although I'm pretty sure the DS will spend a good couple of weeks trying to talk you out of it. Had an admin ex-ranker on my course back in the 90s who lasted something like 3 days before she decided the lack of 3 hour tea breaks and having to do phys wasn't for her and left to go back to her old job moving paperclips from one side of the desk to the other.
Yes it is a chance in a lifetime, but I'd make pretty sure you want it before you start. It's hard enough work to get a place at Cranditz ...... but that's the easy bit! Suggest you have a good hard think about exactly what it is you want out of the RAF before you put yourself through months of misery at Cranditz - if you aren't totally sure / committed you'll hate every minute of it.
Yes it is a chance in a lifetime, but I'd make pretty sure you want it before you start. It's hard enough work to get a place at Cranditz ...... but that's the easy bit! Suggest you have a good hard think about exactly what it is you want out of the RAF before you put yourself through months of misery at Cranditz - if you aren't totally sure / committed you'll hate every minute of it.
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Believe me I've done nothing but think it over since I heard the news! The RAF kept bumping me back review board after review board so I accepted that I would probably not get into the RAF.... came as a shock!Would you believe, they lost the offer letter somewhere so I haven't had it for 3 weeks, now I've only got 24hrs to decide after gearing myself up for commercial life! Can't believe the choice is so hard (but then that might be telling me something!).
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Gentleman (ex Sgt) on IOT course next to mine got promoted to CT while he was there, worked out his pension as a Chief would be more than at his 38/16 point as an Occifer so he quit (VW) and went back to the ranks at Champagne Thursday... Brave move, obviously influenced by the money but shows it is possible right up to the Grad Parade.
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Anyone know the specifics of it because pressumably you can't jump ship once you've reached a specific part of training!?!
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If you don't do it, you will spend the rest of your life wondering what it would have been like. It's a chance in a lifetime. Go for it. You can always decide that it isnt for you after starting. But you cant change your mind if you dont go. Good Luck!
As for Sgt, I severely doubt that he would have lost money on pension, because his years of service would still count to his orificer pension. Additionally, as a Pilot Officer or Fg Off, he would still get his CT pay until his career caught up again with the CT pay rate. Seems like a dumb-ass (if brave) move to me. If he was a FS, then maybe I could understand, so close to WO, but Sgt-CT ? Nah.
As for Sgt, I severely doubt that he would have lost money on pension, because his years of service would still count to his orificer pension. Additionally, as a Pilot Officer or Fg Off, he would still get his CT pay until his career caught up again with the CT pay rate. Seems like a dumb-ass (if brave) move to me. If he was a FS, then maybe I could understand, so close to WO, but Sgt-CT ? Nah.
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If you don't do it, you will spend the rest of your life wondering what it would have been like. It's a chance in a lifetime. Go for it. You can always decide that it isnt for you after starting. But you cant change your mind if you dont go. Good Luck!
Just received the paperwork for it all! Don't understand what's holding me back! Anyone else had the same experience or know what it could be!?
This will probably be my last post on the subject or I'll just come across as another moaner! Feel free to discuss the psychology of committment for any others with doubts!
Thanks to all who replied, 40k
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The answer is: Yes, you must remain in training for 28 days at RTS, RAF Halton, and IOT, RAF Cranwell. The rationale is that those who are home-sick will get over it in approx 14-21 days, so making them stay 28 might lessen the drop-out rate. Personally, I think that you won't know whether the job is for you or not until you have actually done the job, not just IOT and branch training.
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You have been given what others have spent years trying to get and never got. Until you are there you will never know what you've been given.
It is something you'll never experience anywhere else or at any other point in your life. You will learn leadership and life skills that you never knew existed. You will make friends that will last a lifetime.
The worst you can do is stay for a few weeks and leave putting a gap of a few weeks on your CV.
There are litterally hundreds who'd do anything to swap places with you.
It is something you'll never experience anywhere else or at any other point in your life. You will learn leadership and life skills that you never knew existed. You will make friends that will last a lifetime.
The worst you can do is stay for a few weeks and leave putting a gap of a few weeks on your CV.
There are litterally hundreds who'd do anything to swap places with you.
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From what I remember (alcohol clouds the events) he couldn't accept his promotion to CT unless he VW'd from IOT, sort of a conditional thing so he would have been on Sgts pay as a Fg Off on leaving, and as this was Pre 05 Pension I don't think all his previous service counted, just some of it.
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From what I remember (alcohol clouds the events) he couldn't accept his promotion to CT unless he VW'd from IOT, sort of a conditional thing so he would have been on Sgts pay as a Fg Off on leaving, and as this was Pre 05 Pension I don't think all his previous service counted, just some of it.
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Sure it is hard work, HOWEVER, it's never as bad as anyone telling you about makes out, once you get stuck in. It also has a lot of highs, is a very sociable place and you will make some decent mates, I almost guarantee it!
Is a few months going to make that much difference in "the commercial world"?
Give it a go and at least know what decision you are making.
Is a few months going to make that much difference in "the commercial world"?
Give it a go and at least know what decision you are making.
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No you certainly don't have to stay 28 days. Although you will be on the books (and be paid) for months afterwards you will be out of the front gates and your PVR will be accepted a few days from your last interview at DIOT and the world's your oyster.
If the head shed see that you really don't want to be a part of the service, your reason to leave is sound and thought through they will let you go quickly, and possibly even quietly express thier support for you.
But unless you have been soured by previous forces experience or have given it a lot of thought there's really no reason why you shouldn't give it a pop for 28 days at least if you've been accepted.
There are plenty of people who would give their right arm to be going to Cranwell like you, but at the end of the day if you do decide to leave it's your future that is the most important thing, not how lucky you are to have got through OASC.
I would suggest joining the Reserves before taking up a Commission, then you would be better positioned to make the decision of whether today's armed forces are for you. But given the short time scale this won't be possible for you!
All the best whatever you decide.
If the head shed see that you really don't want to be a part of the service, your reason to leave is sound and thought through they will let you go quickly, and possibly even quietly express thier support for you.
But unless you have been soured by previous forces experience or have given it a lot of thought there's really no reason why you shouldn't give it a pop for 28 days at least if you've been accepted.
There are plenty of people who would give their right arm to be going to Cranwell like you, but at the end of the day if you do decide to leave it's your future that is the most important thing, not how lucky you are to have got through OASC.
I would suggest joining the Reserves before taking up a Commission, then you would be better positioned to make the decision of whether today's armed forces are for you. But given the short time scale this won't be possible for you!
All the best whatever you decide.
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What a shame you only have 24 hours to decide! Being put on a couple of review boards seem to be the norm for the majority of candidates at the minute.
People are right in saying that there are a lot of people who would want to be in your position and be holding a potential commission. You're the one who got the slot though, so don't go worrying about the fact that you may be taking up someones elses chance!
Before applying to the RAF you must have thought long and hard about what you wanted in a career. From your posts I assume you wanted a career as a pilot with commercial as your second choice.
Try to think back to what made you apply to the RAF and why you chose it over the commercial side of things. Has anything changed?
How did you feel when you got put on a review board? How did you feel when you accepted that you may only have the commercial path to be a pilot?
Ask yourself those questions and if you remember why you applied to the RAF in the first place then it may help.
As the chaps here have said, you can PVR from IOT so you are not sealed and binded to your decision if you feel like you've made a mistake.
As Time Bandit said, maybe you would consider going into the reserves?
People are right in saying that there are a lot of people who would want to be in your position and be holding a potential commission. You're the one who got the slot though, so don't go worrying about the fact that you may be taking up someones elses chance!
Before applying to the RAF you must have thought long and hard about what you wanted in a career. From your posts I assume you wanted a career as a pilot with commercial as your second choice.
Try to think back to what made you apply to the RAF and why you chose it over the commercial side of things. Has anything changed?
How did you feel when you got put on a review board? How did you feel when you accepted that you may only have the commercial path to be a pilot?
Ask yourself those questions and if you remember why you applied to the RAF in the first place then it may help.
As the chaps here have said, you can PVR from IOT so you are not sealed and binded to your decision if you feel like you've made a mistake.
As Time Bandit said, maybe you would consider going into the reserves?
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Why are there so many people handing back Uni Bursaries, quiting IOT, and PVR'ing??
I didn't realise that there were many people doing this however?
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they did not fully appreciate what they were getting themselves into
It seems alot of my friends have been turned down at OASC, many of whom are of a high callibre, but lose their places to people who eventually give up a bursary, quit during IOT or PVR and give back farless service.