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40k,
do it, or you'll end up like me, out of the RAf for ten years, and regretting:
1...Not being more committed when, after attending oasc in 1991 as a civilian, being told, when in the RAF in 93, that all I had to do was apply, no station boards, no station commanders interview, no three day board at oasc, just apply, and aircrew is all yours.....and I didn't.
2. Not applying for a commission again in 95 when I PVR'd.....it's a great life, and I still wish I was there
do it, or you'll end up like me, out of the RAf for ten years, and regretting:
1...Not being more committed when, after attending oasc in 1991 as a civilian, being told, when in the RAF in 93, that all I had to do was apply, no station boards, no station commanders interview, no three day board at oasc, just apply, and aircrew is all yours.....and I didn't.
2. Not applying for a commission again in 95 when I PVR'd.....it's a great life, and I still wish I was there
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Nearly correct?
Channel 15 is recognised for marking datums in international SAR missions and is part of the "Quadrapartitate Agreement" if you know what that means
I suggest not!
So keep quiet
Regards B15
Nearly correct?
Channel 15 is recognised for marking datums in international SAR missions and is part of the "Quadrapartitate Agreement" if you know what that means
I suggest not!
So keep quiet
Regards B15
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[Ooh, get some more water on the winch, this here's a huge bite, Cap'n....!!
Back in your sonics cubicle buoy15, I was doing "Disport Open," stepping over main spars, dropping more sonar buoys than you've had hot dinners, plus loads of shyte that can't be discussed here, before you were the size of of a shirt button in your ma's tummy! Oh yes, & throwing out lots of your namesakes on SAR datums.
Seems like you are very much in the minority here about your comments on 40k-ft AMSL - did we miss on commissioning per chance???
Back in your sonics cubicle buoy15, I was doing "Disport Open," stepping over main spars, dropping more sonar buoys than you've had hot dinners, plus loads of shyte that can't be discussed here, before you were the size of of a shirt button in your ma's tummy! Oh yes, & throwing out lots of your namesakes on SAR datums.
Seems like you are very much in the minority here about your comments on 40k-ft AMSL - did we miss on commissioning per chance???
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So, the 24 hours are up. What was the decision?
It was a no-brainer to me, but then I'm with the Romans. Twelve years military service should be a compulsory qualification for citizenship...
It was a no-brainer to me, but then I'm with the Romans. Twelve years military service should be a compulsory qualification for citizenship...
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24 hours are up and yes, I'm going for it!! 
I figured that if there is a lot of holding, it'd be a fine chance to actually get my ATPL done just as an extra something (of course time permitting!). Besides, I'm sure the RAF is gonna teach me it all anyway so should be a breeze! Then at the end of my service it should be a short hop to the airlines!
PS
I've always thought a little national service would be a good prerequisite for citizenship as well as softening up all those 'bad lads' out there!
I figured that if there is a lot of holding, it'd be a fine chance to actually get my ATPL done just as an extra something (of course time permitting!). Besides, I'm sure the RAF is gonna teach me it all anyway so should be a breeze! Then at the end of my service it should be a short hop to the airlines!
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I've always thought a little national service would be a good prerequisite for citizenship as well as softening up all those 'bad lads' out there!
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40k-ft AMSL Well, er, um, does an ATPL(F) count...??!!
So others have done it!
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No it will not.
A PPL means nothing - anyone can get one with enough cash and time. EFT will test how quickly and how well you can learn new skills and how appropriate you are for the 3 streaming options.
A PPL means nothing - anyone can get one with enough cash and time. EFT will test how quickly and how well you can learn new skills and how appropriate you are for the 3 streaming options.
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Well a PPL must surely help by knowing the 'effects of controls, straight and level flight' etc! But I get your point, I guess they'll give me some other stuff that I won't know!
Anyone out there been through EFT but having a PPL??
Thanks, 40k
Anyone out there been through EFT but having a PPL??
Thanks, 40k
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It helps on your first few trips, but please don't think you know it all before you get there - I've seen too many people turn up thinking they were the dog's danglers only to screw up big style. What will help you out is the 40 plus hours of airmanship you will have under your belt. Actually being able to do the flying thing (handling wise) will only help so much as you will be expected to fly "our way" from the off.
Glad you came to your decision, it was a brave move to air it on this forum but I hope it helped. When you get to IOT though, keep your head down and when it all gets too much just keep telling yourself that you'll be out of here soon and onto much better things than any of your tormentors (PTIs, Admin Trainer Nazi Flight Commanders etc.) could ever aspire to!
Good Luck!
Glad you came to your decision, it was a brave move to air it on this forum but I hope it helped. When you get to IOT though, keep your head down and when it all gets too much just keep telling yourself that you'll be out of here soon and onto much better things than any of your tormentors (PTIs, Admin Trainer Nazi Flight Commanders etc.) could ever aspire to!
Good Luck!
The PPL will only be of any help if you were taught the basics properly. Such as attitude flying and a good l
kout technique. If you were taught 'point-and-power' for the final approach and Standard Closing Angle for medium level navigation, you will certainly have some initial advantage.
But not for long as EFT tests different skill set requirements.
If you are airborne and see another mate solo in a similar aircraft do you:
1. Give way in accordance with Rules of the Air;
or 2. Check there's no-one looking and bounce the bug.ger?
Don't answer. But no matter how old you are, when you spot an easy target if the horns still twitch under your (possibly bald) scalp, you'll know that you were always intended to be a fighter pilot!
kout technique. If you were taught 'point-and-power' for the final approach and Standard Closing Angle for medium level navigation, you will certainly have some initial advantage.But not for long as EFT tests different skill set requirements.
If you are airborne and see another mate solo in a similar aircraft do you:
1. Give way in accordance with Rules of the Air;
or 2. Check there's no-one looking and bounce the bug.ger?
Don't answer. But no matter how old you are, when you spot an easy target if the horns still twitch under your (possibly bald) scalp, you'll know that you were always intended to be a fighter pilot!
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Remember the Lancaster series on C4? Two pilots made it to the final, and the AAC lad did well, and although the 'bus FO wasn't bad, he wasn't as good. He had 1500+ hours, against the other guy's <100 ...
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'point-and-power' for the final approach and Standard Closing Angle for medium level navigation
Well I certainly can't say I know it all now!! Looking forward to learning it all though! Gonna be one hell of an adventure! 40k
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One might also argue that a "fresh out of the box" PPL will be in better shape for EFT than someone who has held the license for a while- less time for bad habits to develop, since there is no civvy equivalent of CFS Standarisation to keep you in line. There are also things like procedural differences (PFLs and circuits immediately spring to mind.)
For Christ's sake don't go in there acting like a know-it-all. Your instructor's wife will end up wearing your b0llocks for earrings and everone else on the course will think you are a complete chopper.
For Christ's sake don't go in there acting like a know-it-all. Your instructor's wife will end up wearing your b0llocks for earrings and everone else on the course will think you are a complete chopper.
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PPL SchmeePL, rise above the rest! Seriously though, swallow your pride for the first 2 or 3 trips and keep an open mind. Let your RAF flying training be the bench mark on which you base your civvie stuff, don't try to resist and do it the other way round.
"........there is no civvy equivalent of CFS Standarisation to keep you in line..."
That might have been true once, but ever since JAR-FCL came into being, revalidation of a SEP Class Rating by experience also includes a mandatory training flight of not less than 1 hour. Which is not much, but is better than nothing!
Your PPL privileges allow you to hire an aircraft and take your friends flying pretty well anywhere you wish. Without an overarching umbrella of duty pilots, duty instructors, authorisers or anyone else to nanny you about- and you're entirely responsible for pre-flighting your aircraft, cleaning the windscreen, checking the oil, refuelling it etc. So, if used properly, your PPL will give you a lot of useful captaincy and self confidence. It is entirely up to you to look after yourself, your aircraft and your passengers....
You'll be in the RAF for quite a while before you're even allowed to take an aircraft from A to B, land, turn it round and fly back again without Mummy having first checked that you've washed behind your ears.
When I was 17, on my RAF-sponsored 30 hour PPL course I took an aeroplane to a couple of aerodromes I'd never ever been to before on my qualifying cross-country. It was a brand new Cessna 150. The next time I did that wasn't until 8 years later when I took a Hunter to St Athan for a static display and brought it again the following Monday morning. I doubt whether it's any easier today....
That might have been true once, but ever since JAR-FCL came into being, revalidation of a SEP Class Rating by experience also includes a mandatory training flight of not less than 1 hour. Which is not much, but is better than nothing!
Your PPL privileges allow you to hire an aircraft and take your friends flying pretty well anywhere you wish. Without an overarching umbrella of duty pilots, duty instructors, authorisers or anyone else to nanny you about- and you're entirely responsible for pre-flighting your aircraft, cleaning the windscreen, checking the oil, refuelling it etc. So, if used properly, your PPL will give you a lot of useful captaincy and self confidence. It is entirely up to you to look after yourself, your aircraft and your passengers....
You'll be in the RAF for quite a while before you're even allowed to take an aircraft from A to B, land, turn it round and fly back again without Mummy having first checked that you've washed behind your ears.
When I was 17, on my RAF-sponsored 30 hour PPL course I took an aeroplane to a couple of aerodromes I'd never ever been to before on my qualifying cross-country. It was a brand new Cessna 150. The next time I did that wasn't until 8 years later when I took a Hunter to St Athan for a static display and brought it again the following Monday morning. I doubt whether it's any easier today....
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the right decision
40k - well done
here's to hoping you don't get "A" SQN
I can remember being on the drill square in front of No.1 (with FS McIver doing the honours), and "A" SQN ambling past (they hadn't yet learnt to march) chanting "A SQN, A SQN, A, A, A!"
We would sing (with FS McIver conducting.......) "Gay SQN, Gay SQN, Gay, Gay, Gay!"
You will love it - it will be one of the most intense 6 months you'll have in your life!
here's to hoping you don't get "A" SQN
I can remember being on the drill square in front of No.1 (with FS McIver doing the honours), and "A" SQN ambling past (they hadn't yet learnt to march) chanting "A SQN, A SQN, A, A, A!"
We would sing (with FS McIver conducting.......) "Gay SQN, Gay SQN, Gay, Gay, Gay!"
You will love it - it will be one of the most intense 6 months you'll have in your life!