PVR from RAF IOT
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So why werent they weeded out at OASC?
It seems alot of my friends have been turned down at OASC, many of whom are of a high callibre, but lose their places to people who eventually give up a bursary, quit during IOT or PVR and give back farless service.
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I would have thought everyone reaching OASC would have thought long and hard about whether they wanted to hold a commission or not before they got to that stage! Those that PVR during IOT must have just paid lip service at OASC interview. Its not as if anyone should be under any illusion as to what they are doing - selection takes long enough! 
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A friend of mine many moons ago sent one of his Sgts to OASC who within 20 minutes knew it wasn't for him, played along and gracefully gave himself a good exit making it clear to all he was happy being where he was during the interview...
Q. So tell me which newspaper you read?
A. (In a Brummy accent) Oh that'd be The Times Sir
Q. And can you tell me who their politcal editor is?
A. Oh they don't have one Sir
Q. Are you sure, which Times do you read?
A. The Angling Times Sir
Q. So tell me which newspaper you read?
A. (In a Brummy accent) Oh that'd be The Times Sir
Q. And can you tell me who their politcal editor is?
A. Oh they don't have one Sir
Q. Are you sure, which Times do you read?
A. The Angling Times Sir
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Ok guys, I'm going to give it a whirl! What's the worst that could happen!You've all given some great advice and it's much appreciated! My join date is Feb 19th so I'd better get running!
Will let everyone know how it goes in case there are others that are feeling the same way I have been!
Thanks again, 40k
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You can VW during IOT, and during branch training until entering productive service. I don't recall any IOT VWs from my stint, but I know of the occasional branch change that succeeded and many more that failed and resulted in a return to civvy street.
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Back in 1987 I was a cadet on a PIOT (pre-initial officer trg). Twenty-four of us turned up on day one. When we woke up on day 2 after a good night's sleep, the number on roll was twenty-three.
Obviously the poor soul decided that he could not cope with RAF beds for the remainder of his service..... or maybe his commitment was not really there.
Obviously the poor soul decided that he could not cope with RAF beds for the remainder of his service..... or maybe his commitment was not really there.
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Similar number on my "boots" course in 1990, reduced by one on day 2 after the unfortunate individual had several too many and barfed all over his room in No2 Mess - last seen dragging his mattress to Barrack Stores with his cheque book and Train Ticket!!
On my IOT we started out one short on the Sunday night and went up to full strngth the following evening.
Turns out that as the Monday was a bank holiday, he'd assumed that the date in the paperwork was a mistake - surely the RAF wouldn't work on a public holiday!
Ah, bless.....
Turns out that as the Monday was a bank holiday, he'd assumed that the date in the paperwork was a mistake - surely the RAF wouldn't work on a public holiday!
Ah, bless.....
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40k ------- W*nker
If you got to IOT in the first place why would you want to PVR - -------W*nker
Go and work in a bank or supermarket or something
Don't waste our time
Love many, Trust a few, Always paddle your own canoe!
Regards B15
If you got to IOT in the first place why would you want to PVR - -------W*nker
Go and work in a bank or supermarket or something
Don't waste our time
Love many, Trust a few, Always paddle your own canoe!
Regards B15
Harsh words. I can see your point though, even though I wouldnt quite put it like that. I would be disappointed that someone would waste peoples time and tax payers money if they weren't committed 100% from the word go. I know there are a few apathetic/disenchanted people eventually, but I would have thought a youngster would be keen about being a part of the RAF. Hardly inspires confidence that he will make the front line - theres tougher times and lots of hard work past selection!
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I see nothing wrong with getting a little information and advice from those who've been there and done it, rather than relying purely on the recruitment propoganda.
As for Buoy's comments, at least now the guy's going to Cranwell he'll see that not everyone in the RAF has such a lack of manners.
As for Buoy's comments, at least now the guy's going to Cranwell he'll see that not everyone in the RAF has such a lack of manners.
When a bunch of us in our uncomfortable suits with what we thought were adequate haircuts all turned up to meet the nominated Kings Cross to Grantham train in 1968, I shared a compartment with a fellow aspirant Flight Cadet whose father was a pongo colonel.
24 hours later he was seen heading back south again with his suitcase - with just the souvenir of one of Slasher's haircuts to show for his time at Sleaford Tech..... He hadn't even unpacked fully - and 'crowing' hadn't even started.
Still, the guys in his hut had an extra bed. But fewer of them to bull the place up. Such were the joys of the South Brixk Lines...
24 hours later he was seen heading back south again with his suitcase - with just the souvenir of one of Slasher's haircuts to show for his time at Sleaford Tech..... He hadn't even unpacked fully - and 'crowing' hadn't even started.
Still, the guys in his hut had an extra bed. But fewer of them to bull the place up. Such were the joys of the South Brixk Lines...
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40ft,
good your a bit worried, but when you go enjoy it. loads of people got wound up and created loads of self induced stress. avoid these people. also get fit now so you'll enjoy the phys stuff instead of being beasted by the pti's.
just enjoy it, and there will be times where you'll think this is sh*t, but its only a 6 month attendance course, then you've got a job for 16 years.
as for the guys slagging you off, how many people really know what its like until they got there?
good luck and hope to see you around.
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good your a bit worried, but when you go enjoy it. loads of people got wound up and created loads of self induced stress. avoid these people. also get fit now so you'll enjoy the phys stuff instead of being beasted by the pti's.
just enjoy it, and there will be times where you'll think this is sh*t, but its only a 6 month attendance course, then you've got a job for 16 years.
as for the guys slagging you off, how many people really know what its like until they got there?
good luck and hope to see you around.
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1) B15: harsh indeed! If it weren't for the RAF messing me about I wouldn't have had to wait for so long and end up half completing my ATPL! One of the main reasons for IOT is to sift the good'uns from the bad'uns! What harm is done by trying!?
2) I got a place as pilot! And god dammit I'm not going to deny myself the chance! I just have committment issues, my girlfriend will tell you!!
3) I'll only make it to the front line if I'm committed, will I not!? If I don't like it I'll be out before I start flying believe me! So don't you worry about the tax payer's pennies ol' buoy.. or are you 15!?!
4) And as for asking advice from people on this site 'kampa747', are you putting yourself down as not being good enough to provide advice of this nature??
But I still thank you all for telling me your thoughts as arguing against them helps to further make up my mind!
40k
If it weren't for the RAF messing me about I wouldn't have had to wait for so long and end up half completing my ATPL! One of the main reasons for IOT is to sift the good'uns from the bad'uns! What harm is done by trying!?2) I got a place as pilot! And god dammit I'm not going to deny myself the chance! I just have committment issues, my girlfriend will tell you!!
3) I'll only make it to the front line if I'm committed, will I not!? If I don't like it I'll be out before I start flying believe me! So don't you worry about the tax payer's pennies ol' buoy.. or are you 15!?!
4) And as for asking advice from people on this site 'kampa747', are you putting yourself down as not being good enough to provide advice of this nature??
But I still thank you all for telling me your thoughts as arguing against them helps to further make up my mind!
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Harsh is a complete understatement - out of order is a bit more like it! Read the posts again!
If I had set my mind on a career, and been put off and put off by the company I wanted to work for time and time again, would I not perhaps start to look for another job? Or would I just stay unemployed in the hope that one day they might say yes?
So when you've accepted you're not going to get in to the RAF, have redirected your mindset to a civvy career, and have made moves in that direction, wouldn't you be a little unsure after all the uncertainty and crap you've been through already, especially having such a short time to say yes or no?
40K has made the right decision for him - I hope it goes well. Certainly doesn't justify posts like that!
If I had set my mind on a career, and been put off and put off by the company I wanted to work for time and time again, would I not perhaps start to look for another job? Or would I just stay unemployed in the hope that one day they might say yes?
So when you've accepted you're not going to get in to the RAF, have redirected your mindset to a civvy career, and have made moves in that direction, wouldn't you be a little unsure after all the uncertainty and crap you've been through already, especially having such a short time to say yes or no?
40K has made the right decision for him - I hope it goes well. Certainly doesn't justify posts like that!
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Well said 40k. Good luck with whatever you choose, whether it be the RAF, a bank or a supermarket.
Buoy 15, badly put and wrong. People think about things. Smarter people think more about things, especially about large life decisions. Who can honestly say they wouldn't/didn't have the slightest apprehension about pitching up to start 16 years service, especially when starting out in today's less than rosy service? Very few I should think.
Judging by 40ks comment number one, he is the one who's time has been wasted.
All the best 40k. Take a good iron.
Buoy 15, badly put and wrong. People think about things. Smarter people think more about things, especially about large life decisions. Who can honestly say they wouldn't/didn't have the slightest apprehension about pitching up to start 16 years service, especially when starting out in today's less than rosy service? Very few I should think.
Judging by 40ks comment number one, he is the one who's time has been wasted.
All the best 40k. Take a good iron.
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Give it a good shot, 40K. Never mind about your commitment issues, just make sure that your long term commitment is what you want to do with your life. I am just one of a long line of people who gave themselves major heartache over a girlfriend on IOT, who in the end turned out not to be worth it in any case! Fortunately I didn't let it influence any long term decisions, but I know other people who weren't so lucky 
The fact that you've been selected for Pilot means that they think you have got something, all you have to do now is prove it to yourself. The 28 days to VW is rubbish, but don't even think about leaving before then as your comfy home bed will still be calling!
B15, surely better that someone takes a good hard realistic look at their progress before they have wasted to much taxpayers money.
The fact that you've been selected for Pilot means that they think you have got something, all you have to do now is prove it to yourself. The 28 days to VW is rubbish, but don't even think about leaving before then as your comfy home bed will still be calling!
B15, surely better that someone takes a good hard realistic look at their progress before they have wasted to much taxpayers money.