Nu Labour Government betrays HM Forces in Ulster
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Nu Labour Government betrays HM Forces in Ulster
I was alerted to this story by the 'other means': http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/index.p...t=25462#441121
The story from the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/ixhome.html
What relevance does this have to Pprune - I hear you ask?
Think carefully if you have ever dropped off a callsign in a Puma/Chinook?
Vote this shower out of office ASAP!
The story from the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/ixhome.html
What relevance does this have to Pprune - I hear you ask?
Think carefully if you have ever dropped off a callsign in a Puma/Chinook?
Vote this shower out of office ASAP!
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I refuelled helicopters in Ulster, should I be worried?
I agree with you though Training Risky, its about time Tone and his mates were put out to grass.
I was on guard what seems like an age ago during the election that saw Labour rise to power. All the lads on guard with me were voting Labour, all of them said it was better for the RAF in the long run. I wonder what their opinions are now?
I agree with you though Training Risky, its about time Tone and his mates were put out to grass.
I was on guard what seems like an age ago during the election that saw Labour rise to power. All the lads on guard with me were voting Labour, all of them said it was better for the RAF in the long run. I wonder what their opinions are now?
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Another purler from the "Ministry of Silly Ideas".
Wait until the tide turns with regard to present troubles in hotter climes, there might just be a few memers of this government jumping out through toilet windows. Perhaps they're attempting to divert attention from more recent issues?
Meanwhile I'm going to burn my logbooks in the garden.......
Hang on, there's someone knocking at my door.......
Wait until the tide turns with regard to present troubles in hotter climes, there might just be a few memers of this government jumping out through toilet windows. Perhaps they're attempting to divert attention from more recent issues?
Meanwhile I'm going to burn my logbooks in the garden.......
Hang on, there's someone knocking at my door.......
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I wish you lot would stop being Sarcastic. Or am I missing the point and maybe you really DO want Mr Blair out of Government?
To be replaced by whom? Gordon Brown? John Prescott?
John Reid perhaps, he's a top bloke. Best SofS weve had for a long time. (those who remember when we had Portiloo will concur).
So, if you had your choice, Who would be PM and who for SofS ?
To be replaced by whom? Gordon Brown? John Prescott?
John Reid perhaps, he's a top bloke. Best SofS weve had for a long time. (those who remember when we had Portiloo will concur).
So, if you had your choice, Who would be PM and who for SofS ?
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Interesting, but unspeakably sad that the same Government which is currently lecturing us on the need for an increased period of detention without charge for terrorist suspects, on the grounds that it is what the police say they need to do the job, and that it is for our own safety, is at the same time prepared to go through this farce of, in effect, an "amnesty" for murderers on the run, whilst refusing to put in place guarantees of immunity from prosecution for Servicemen who did their job (at Ministers behest) in order to protect the public at large. Quite breathtaking.
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Southside - serious you may be, but if it's "starting" you want to do then I suggest the "New topic"button is the place for you.
On topic - this is quite incredible. I'd be amazed if anything came of it though - the legality of the given orders in each situation is probably going to be the crux of any case, and the chances of these still being available are remote to say the least. The whole thing seems like a huge waste of money to me, but then I doubt it does to the families of the 2,000 whose deaths are "unresolved". Maybe they should pay the legal fees, then...
Was it Franklin who said "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"?
On topic - this is quite incredible. I'd be amazed if anything came of it though - the legality of the given orders in each situation is probably going to be the crux of any case, and the chances of these still being available are remote to say the least. The whole thing seems like a huge waste of money to me, but then I doubt it does to the families of the 2,000 whose deaths are "unresolved". Maybe they should pay the legal fees, then...
Was it Franklin who said "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"?
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QUOTE: "unspeakably sad that the same Government which is currently lecturing us on the need for an increased period of detention without charge for terrorist suspects, on the grounds that it is what the police say they need to do the job, and that it is for our own safety, is at the same time prepared to go through this farce of, in effect, an "amnesty" for murderers on the run"
I agree, but from the governments point of view N.I. is an old threat, and global terrorism is the new 'in' thing. They are accused of ignoring human rights and international laws by invading Iraq and the prosecution of innocent serviceman is an attempt by the government to show that human rights are on their minds, which they should be, but servicemen should not be the sacrifice that enables this.
I agree, but from the governments point of view N.I. is an old threat, and global terrorism is the new 'in' thing. They are accused of ignoring human rights and international laws by invading Iraq and the prosecution of innocent serviceman is an attempt by the government to show that human rights are on their minds, which they should be, but servicemen should not be the sacrifice that enables this.
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There is bound to be pressure from politicians to get a few soldiers in the dock as part of the "peace" process. That just stinks.
I suggest Ppruners write to their MPs. I've written to mine, and to Andrew Robathan, a Shadow Defence Minister, an ex Guards officer who did a couple of tours at Hereford.
I suggest Ppruners write to their MPs. I've written to mine, and to Andrew Robathan, a Shadow Defence Minister, an ex Guards officer who did a couple of tours at Hereford.
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Dont worry guys....ever known of a service police investigation showing up anything other than ineptitude in their own proceedures..! Torygraph blah as usual...you should really understand the viewpoint of the journo/editor b4 you believe what they scribe....and remember...they are second only to politicians on the 'fibometer'
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Labour isn't used to the threat posed by the IRA because they've not been in Government for any long period when the IRA was maiming families, bombing soldiers, gun-running and racketeering in Ireland and (it is alleged) Colombia, or, indeed, bombing the Cabinet. It's shocking that these bastards (the IRA, not Labour) are being allowed to get away with the most appalling crimes while soldiers face prosecution for "illegal killing".
What about the soldiers who lost their fingers to razor blades glued under beds in the Maze? Do they risk prosecution for invading the prisoners' privacy? What about those who interrogated IRA murderers in order to prevent further attacks? Could they be prosecuted for torture?
This Government needs to get its priorities right. Prosecuting British soldiers sends out the message that we were wrong all along. That the right of people in Ulster to live free of terror is, in fact, a privelige. That the IRA should have been allowed to do what it wanted. How much longer do we have to put up with this fashionable nonsense?
Labour's concentration on defeating Al Qaeda and other forms of jihadist terrorism is laudable. But they must consider the fact that the difference between terrorists and ex-terrorists is measured only by their intent. If they're guilty, they should be put away - simple as that.
What about the soldiers who lost their fingers to razor blades glued under beds in the Maze? Do they risk prosecution for invading the prisoners' privacy? What about those who interrogated IRA murderers in order to prevent further attacks? Could they be prosecuted for torture?
This Government needs to get its priorities right. Prosecuting British soldiers sends out the message that we were wrong all along. That the right of people in Ulster to live free of terror is, in fact, a privelige. That the IRA should have been allowed to do what it wanted. How much longer do we have to put up with this fashionable nonsense?
Labour's concentration on defeating Al Qaeda and other forms of jihadist terrorism is laudable. But they must consider the fact that the difference between terrorists and ex-terrorists is measured only by their intent. If they're guilty, they should be put away - simple as that.
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Labour isn't used to the threat posed by the IRA because they've not been in Government for any long period
However, I do agree with your last point. If these people are guilty then they should be dealt with.
tablet eraser,
You wrote;
“Labour isn’t used to the threat posed by the IRA because they’ve not been in Govt for any long period when the IRA was maiming……………..!
Oh really?
•October 1974: The Guildford pub bombings kills five and injures 182.
•November 1974: In the Birmingham Pub bombings kills 21 and maims and injures 182.
•November 1974: Two people are killed when a nail bomb containing 6lb of gelignite is thrown through the window of a pub in Woolwich
•December 1974: A bomb explodes on the first floor of Harrods in Knightsbridge . Part of the store is gutted but there are no injuries.
•February 1975: An off-duty police officer is shot dead as he joins in the chase of a suspect on his motorbike in London.
•November 1975: The killing of TV personality Ross McWhirter for offering a reward to anyone who would inform on the IRA.
•December 1975: The Balcombe St Siege. Running gun fight in Mayfair and siege.
•August 1975: Pub bombing in Caterham.
•July1976: An IRA landmine kills the British ambassador to Ireland.
•March 1979 UK Ambassador to the Netherlands is assassinated in the Hague
•August 1998 The Omagh bombing kills 29 and injures 220
In addition to the above another 24 were killed in 1998, 8 in 1999, 19 in 2000, 15 in 2001, 11 in 2002, 10 in 2003 and 2 in 2004.
So, we have the largest losses of life and heaviest casualties both occuring when Labour were in power.
Far from calling for a Ministerial denail of any enquiry, have we seen any confirmation that such an enquiry is actually under way?
Seeing as what is being done to and for convicted terrorists I would be amazed if there is any attempt to prosecute a member of the armed forces for any action during the troubles, it would be a legal minefield with the precedents that have been set.
You wrote;
“Labour isn’t used to the threat posed by the IRA because they’ve not been in Govt for any long period when the IRA was maiming……………..!
Oh really?
•October 1974: The Guildford pub bombings kills five and injures 182.
•November 1974: In the Birmingham Pub bombings kills 21 and maims and injures 182.
•November 1974: Two people are killed when a nail bomb containing 6lb of gelignite is thrown through the window of a pub in Woolwich
•December 1974: A bomb explodes on the first floor of Harrods in Knightsbridge . Part of the store is gutted but there are no injuries.
•February 1975: An off-duty police officer is shot dead as he joins in the chase of a suspect on his motorbike in London.
•November 1975: The killing of TV personality Ross McWhirter for offering a reward to anyone who would inform on the IRA.
•December 1975: The Balcombe St Siege. Running gun fight in Mayfair and siege.
•August 1975: Pub bombing in Caterham.
•July1976: An IRA landmine kills the British ambassador to Ireland.
•March 1979 UK Ambassador to the Netherlands is assassinated in the Hague
•August 1998 The Omagh bombing kills 29 and injures 220
In addition to the above another 24 were killed in 1998, 8 in 1999, 19 in 2000, 15 in 2001, 11 in 2002, 10 in 2003 and 2 in 2004.
So, we have the largest losses of life and heaviest casualties both occuring when Labour were in power.
Far from calling for a Ministerial denail of any enquiry, have we seen any confirmation that such an enquiry is actually under way?
Seeing as what is being done to and for convicted terrorists I would be amazed if there is any attempt to prosecute a member of the armed forces for any action during the troubles, it would be a legal minefield with the precedents that have been set.
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The only solution for those concerned is to get your retaliation in first.
Sue the MoD for failure in the duty of care by issuing orders contrary to UK international law.
I don't just mean for NI 1969 onwards either!
Sue the MoD for failure in the duty of care by issuing orders contrary to UK international law.
I don't just mean for NI 1969 onwards either!
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Well you dont expect a printed story in the torygraph or any other rag to tell it truthfully anyhow....my point was more aimed at headline grabbing or diversion than the real truth. Read inbetween the lines...i havent seen a major opposition reply to this story...moreover the press are driving it along.
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The disclosure comes days after ministers admitted that dozens of IRA and Loyalist terrorists who are "on the run" will in effect be pardoned for their crimes
In reply to southside's question:
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an increased period of detention without charge for terrorist suspects
...hadn't realised it was sooo successful they wanted to try it again.....
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