Pull the pin....

[Safeware]

I also think you'll find that if a Nav thought that the pilot was incapacitated, he'd set the selector to BOTH before ejecting.

sw

[matkat]

No prob Mike,safeware no command ejection in the RAF F4 perhaps in the F4J though the incident in the North sea was an "M"

[tonkatechie]

Good job hunting down 'the truth' but unfortunately our man has been asking the wrong people. For future reference Mr RedTop, the only person you need to ask is the station hairdresser, or if you can't manage that, go evesdropping in The Hive.
Anyway, to save you the hastle, here's what happened:
There had been loads of problems with this particular jet which had failed to stay fixed, but seeing as it was coming up to the end of it's life the Sgt suggested crashing it. This saved the lads on the sqn from recovering any serviceable bits of kit off the jet. The pilot had just had a crappy annual report, and needed to raise his profile, so he volunteered. However, as the Sgt had come up with the wacky plan, he had to sit in the back to make sure the plan went ahead. The decision to ditch at sea was twofold - firstly, it saved anyone from doing crash guard, and secondly the Sgt wanted to get rescued by Sea King (thereby getting two PAX trips in one day).
So there you have it, now that's enough nonsense for everybody, can we get back to normal now please?

[diginagain]

Wasn't you, was it, tonkatechie? You've been missed, these last few days.

[pr00ne]

JN,

Don't thnk that you will find many politicians of ANY political persuasion reading the likes of AFM, AI, AN etc, but LOTS reading the tabloids, as well as the broadsheets.......................

[DEL Mode]

And there was me thinking it was a Lean RIE or VSA to fix the jets while they are in the air. Thus increase aircraft availability.

Don't need a nav, cause the Lean event was also preparing the pilot for conversion to Typoooooon..

[Jackonicko]

Call me unreasonable, but in my view, any politician who claims enough of an interest in defence to speak about it, to serve on a committee, or to have defence in their job title should certainly be reading JDW, Flight, and Aviation Week, and should also put aside any prejudice and read big chunks of AFM and Air International.

My point, though, was that between the 'sycophantic spotter mags' (and after its UAS/AEF feature this month Air Int qualifies!) and the tabloids there are the broadsheets and the industry rags, all of which are served by very different types of journo, with very different needs, expectations, agendas and expertise.

[Safeware]

matkat, MJ

Sorry, knowing better I didn't make myself clear, should have added, 'On a Tornado ...',

Interestingly, well maybe if you are a spotter it is, the Typhoon works in the opposite sense - Solo/Both vs Both/rear.

sw

[fieldsnail]

Tornado Rear Crew Command Ejection

28 October 1983:

Harrier on Holbeach Range
Tornado in N Sea - Navigator cmd ejected both crewmembers at LL after nothing heard from plt and ac descending (below 250 ft and going down) and rolling slightly. Navigator survived and although plt seen to leave ac body was never found.

The Harrier incident at almost the same time caused some initial SAR confusion as overdue action was taken on the Tornado.

fieldsnail

[Andis]

Nav Survived; Tornado F3 In North Sea

There was also the case of the F3 that crashed into the sea whilst 'bugging-out' of a merge (c1988). It hit the sea and the Nav survived but with no recollection of having pulled the handle.

Remember that irrespective of what the command eject is set to (BOTH or REAR), the back-seater ALWAYS leaves first, irrespective of who pulls the handle.

[Tarnished]

Mike Jenvey

A-10 avoidance was 8 Nov 84.

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/P...Pages/1984.htm

Doesn't state it on the site but I know the driver.

Regards

Tarnished

[snafu]

Just as an aside to the main thread, one of the reasons that aircrew should be wary of having their names given out and published in the media, is that it becomes 'open source' intelligence that would be available to any opposition that we might find ourselves operating against in the future. The publication of names, unit details, aircraft type, home base or family details could lead to some of this information being used against them by interrogators and increase the stress levels at a time when they will already be pretty high!

Personally, I would not want any information that could identify me, or particularly my family, divulged to the media (no offence to Jacko or his brethren), even in peacetime, because I don't want to put them at risk if anything ever happened to me on ops. For a start, we've all seen that AQ have people working in this country and I don't want the added pressure if the guano hit the expelair in the future.