BBC 10 O'Clock News 17&18 Oct (Merged)
I had to forcefully pull Mrs Widger's fingers out of her mouth at the whole cridgeworthy aspect of it!!
"The tension in the ops room was palpable"
On a more serious note....Why did they feel the need to SHOUT ACROSS THE OPS ROOM WHEN THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY INSTALLING COMMAND LINES? Not very professional!
Why do they insist on calling aircrew by their nicknames? Not very secure.
Yes what about the capability?.."look.... I pull this and it goes up really quickly...pnarrrrr, pnarrrrrr. he. he. he"
On the whole a good bit of PR for the FC branch and the monkey(sic) on a stick. I am sure it acted as a fair bit of a deterrant to anyone thinking of doing another 9/11 and has scared the cr@p out of Afturkistan Airways who keep cocking up their frequency changes!!
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"The tension in the ops room was palpable" On a more serious note....Why did they feel the need to SHOUT ACROSS THE OPS ROOM WHEN THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY INSTALLING COMMAND LINES? Not very professional!
Why do they insist on calling aircrew by their nicknames? Not very secure.
Yes what about the capability?.."look.... I pull this and it goes up really quickly...pnarrrrr, pnarrrrrr. he. he. he"
On the whole a good bit of PR for the FC branch and the monkey(sic) on a stick. I am sure it acted as a fair bit of a deterrant to anyone thinking of doing another 9/11 and has scared the cr@p out of Afturkistan Airways who keep cocking up their frequency changes!!
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I am sure it acted as a fair bit of a deterrant to anyone thinking of doing another 9/11 and has scared the cr@p out of Afturkistan Airways who keep cocking up their frequency changes!!
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OK, Widger, I'll bite!
The reason the 'tension in the ops room was palpable' should be obvious. If you were partcipating in an event which could result in the death of hundreds of innocent people within relatively few minutes, you might be a bit tense, too. The people on the telly weren't taking themselves seriously, they were taking their job seriously.
And the reason for the shouting is simple. It's the quickest way to get a piece of information to several people who need to know it straight away, and who are all busy doing stuff (and maybe even talking on other 'command lines'). It's only done in certain circumstances and is by no means routine.
So, Widger, as far as I'm concerned, you can RAM IT!
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The reason the 'tension in the ops room was palpable' should be obvious. If you were partcipating in an event which could result in the death of hundreds of innocent people within relatively few minutes, you might be a bit tense, too. The people on the telly weren't taking themselves seriously, they were taking their job seriously.
And the reason for the shouting is simple. It's the quickest way to get a piece of information to several people who need to know it straight away, and who are all busy doing stuff (and maybe even talking on other 'command lines'). It's only done in certain circumstances and is by no means routine.
So, Widger, as far as I'm concerned, you can RAM IT!
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'On a more serious note....Why did they feel the need to SHOUT ACROSS THE OPS ROOM WHEN THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY INSTALLING COMMAND LINES? Not very professional!'
Because when you are trying to pass a bit of urgent information to somebody already making a call it is quicker to shout it and get a visual acknowledgement that they heard it than to wait for them to finish that call and then pick up the your one button out of the 20 that are flashing at him at the time. Also quicker than setting up a conference call if more than one person needs to hear it. Delay and you could cost lives!
If you are serving why not organise a trip to visit to them and understand the problems that they have. If your not you will probably still get a visit only without the juicy bits.
Damn - someone else got there before me!
Because when you are trying to pass a bit of urgent information to somebody already making a call it is quicker to shout it and get a visual acknowledgement that they heard it than to wait for them to finish that call and then pick up the your one button out of the 20 that are flashing at him at the time. Also quicker than setting up a conference call if more than one person needs to hear it. Delay and you could cost lives!
If you are serving why not organise a trip to visit to them and understand the problems that they have. If your not you will probably still get a visit only without the juicy bits.
Damn - someone else got there before me!
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Going back a bit
Have things got so lean that taking pride in one's equipment isn't allowed anymore? I'm sure if a Life Guard / QCS member on parade said 'I didn't turn out smartly because there is no value added' he'd get short shrift!
And what about the maintenance value - 'Sorry Boss, AJ is u/s today because we didn't see the crack developing under all that dirt and now we have a big repair job on.'
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Have you not heard..........
Washes have been LEANED.
Person washes aircraft (nice and clean)
Aircraft gets dirty.
Value added steps - NIL.
LEAN solution - Leave aircraft dirty and save on manpower.
Washes have been LEANED.
Person washes aircraft (nice and clean)
Aircraft gets dirty.
Value added steps - NIL.
LEAN solution - Leave aircraft dirty and save on manpower.
And what about the maintenance value - 'Sorry Boss, AJ is u/s today because we didn't see the crack developing under all that dirt and now we have a big repair job on.'
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Re shouting across the ops room;- comms difficulties, shoot decisions, etc, perhaps the ‘management’ should read this accident report: USS Vincennes Air Disaster, 1988: located towards the bottom of the page.
Hurrah a nibble!!!!!!
that is all the more reason to ensure that the entire team are calm and ordered. Shouting causes stress and confusion and clouds the picture.
But as I said in my original post...a good bit of PR!
Keep your tounge out.
The reason the 'tension in the ops room was palpable' should be obvious. If you were partcipating in an event which could result in the death of hundreds of innocent people within relatively few minutes, you might be a bit tense, too. The people on the telly weren't taking themselves seriously, they were taking their job seriously.
But as I said in my original post...a good bit of PR!
Keep your tounge out.
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Agree with the consensus that it set everyone involved in good lights....and we all know none of us want to see the 'end game' for real.
I wonder if the Met Police SO19 boys will now want a similar piece done about them about their role in the Bush/Blair world - oh sorry, the negative PR machine has already played that one out, hasn't it?
RH
I wonder if the Met Police SO19 boys will now want a similar piece done about them about their role in the Bush/Blair world - oh sorry, the negative PR machine has already played that one out, hasn't it?
RH
I'm always amazed at how anal some people get about revealing names in the media. To answer the comment "none of the chaps were 'prone to capture' then" - well, no. Typhoon ain't going anywhere operational in the near (or longish!) future and even if it were - do you honestly think a 20 sec spot on TV is going to alter the price of fish as far as they would be concerned?
"Ah infidel, we were going to let you go, but Achmed here was so pissed off with your posing on the 10 o'clock news 2 years ago that we're going to chop your head off instead"
Balanced against the multitude of other sources from which info can be far more readily gleaned, and also the good PR that can result in a time where we have to be ever more image conscious, I think the "Don't tell 'em your name, Pike!" attitude is a bit OTT
"Ah infidel, we were going to let you go, but Achmed here was so pissed off with your posing on the 10 o'clock news 2 years ago that we're going to chop your head off instead"
Balanced against the multitude of other sources from which info can be far more readily gleaned, and also the good PR that can result in a time where we have to be ever more image conscious, I think the "Don't tell 'em your name, Pike!" attitude is a bit OTT
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I have it on good authority that a more in-depth version of the report(s) shown on Monday and Tuesday will be shown on BBC News 24 over the weekend. 2230 on Saturday 21st and 1530 on Sun 22nd Oct 05 if memory serves.
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On Newswatch this am it transpires that 50+ complaints were received by the BBC about this "propoganda". Most were dismissed as being from anti-war campaigners, but the programme editor didn't really defend why it was the lead item other than to say it had been in the making for 6 months!
I have to say that I turned on a bit late on the evening and thought that the news must have been delayed and that it was a documentary.
I have to say that I turned on a bit late on the evening and thought that the news must have been delayed and that it was a documentary.
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Ahh Boulmers not that bad. But think of those lonely ftr controllers stuck down the bunker while you guys are all laid up in bed, admittedly in your immersion suits, but I know what I'd choose if it was a choice between being able to sleep or sit up on watch all night!!
It's just a thought but if I was a terrorist hell bent on hijacking a plane full of innocents and then flying the plane into some target it wouldn't be too much of a defeat if ALL I accomplished was having my enemy have to shoot me down prior to achieving my ultimate aim. Having the government actually having to order their own forces to shoot down and kill their own innocent women and children? Quite an achievement.
