Operational fitness test
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Operational fitness test
Well......
Fully implemented by Apr 06
All ranks and trades to take part except the rocks beacause they do their own presumably.
4 representative tasks will be tested. (representative for who exactly)
1. A single lift of a 25kg ammo box to a height of 1.45m (can't see many injuries from this one)
2. A 20kg sandbag to be carried 30m and placed on a 1.1 m platform 15 times in 10 mins.
3. A 22 meter run follwed by a 3 meter leopard crawl 8 times in 3min 10 secs.
4. A digging test
shovel 0.125 m of sand through a hole in a wall at a height of 1 meter in 6 minutes 30 secs.
On the day of the test in CS95 with all the trimmings.
a. Realistically how many will pass / fail if it is as stipulated for all ranks / trades?
b. By not passing will you be unavailable for deployment?
Somehow I think NOT.
I'm sure this will enable us all to carry out our duties more effectively
Remember a day out of uniform is a day wasted........
Fully implemented by Apr 06
All ranks and trades to take part except the rocks beacause they do their own presumably.
4 representative tasks will be tested. (representative for who exactly)
1. A single lift of a 25kg ammo box to a height of 1.45m (can't see many injuries from this one)
2. A 20kg sandbag to be carried 30m and placed on a 1.1 m platform 15 times in 10 mins.
3. A 22 meter run follwed by a 3 meter leopard crawl 8 times in 3min 10 secs.
4. A digging test
shovel 0.125 m of sand through a hole in a wall at a height of 1 meter in 6 minutes 30 secs.On the day of the test in CS95 with all the trimmings.
a. Realistically how many will pass / fail if it is as stipulated for all ranks / trades?
b. By not passing will you be unavailable for deployment?
Somehow I think NOT.
I'm sure this will enable us all to carry out our duties more effectively
Remember a day out of uniform is a day wasted........
Now the lunatics really are in control of the asylum........
There may be the odd dog turd on the grass this side, but nothing like the pile of $hit on your side, chaps!
But then most of the time you don't even have any grass...
There may be the odd dog turd on the grass this side, but nothing like the pile of $hit on your side, chaps!
But then most of the time you don't even have any grass...
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Please don't take this the wrong way but I do wonder how the girls are going to get on with this.
My water softener salt tablets come in 25kg bags and my wife, fit as robbers dog in more ways than one and still playing competative netball at 44 would never be able to lift one of those up to shoulder height.
As for carrying a 20kg bag 30 mtrs blah blah she struggles as it is with the shopping, not because she is unfit but because, like most women she does not have the upper body strength to perform such tasks.
Should be interesting to see the outcome of this and I wonder if the "bar" will eventually be lowered.
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My water softener salt tablets come in 25kg bags and my wife, fit as robbers dog in more ways than one and still playing competative netball at 44 would never be able to lift one of those up to shoulder height.
As for carrying a 20kg bag 30 mtrs blah blah she struggles as it is with the shopping, not because she is unfit but because, like most women she does not have the upper body strength to perform such tasks.
Should be interesting to see the outcome of this and I wonder if the "bar" will eventually be lowered.
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Well I'm bŁoody glad I don't have your garden then, pma32dd!
I hope that a few people will lift their 55lb 'ammo box' (whatever that might be) to the regulation 4'9" and then drop the bŁoody thing - onto the adjudicating jockstrapper's foot!
Should keep the Defence Medical Service busy though - good job that was never cut...
I hope that a few people will lift their 55lb 'ammo box' (whatever that might be) to the regulation 4'9" and then drop the bŁoody thing - onto the adjudicating jockstrapper's foot!
Should keep the Defence Medical Service busy though - good job that was never cut...
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Even as an ex-pongo whose best quality was my blind obedience, I struggle to see how this particular little bit of fun and games would help the team get Bloggs (no offence Bloggs) over the target in a more cost effective and business-like manner. I can see how it would help people with a bit of resettlement training, if they ever decided to work on a road gang, or even rebuild the levees in New Orleans, but support military flying operations; you've got me there. Maybe it's a trick, and if you don't understand why you have to do it, you are not really cut out for the Air Force - who knows?
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One evening, watching one of the b&w films of the air war there came a cry from this Flt Lt armourer "Hey, that's me".
Sure enough there was one SAC Fitzmaurice loading a 100 lb bomb onto a Fairey Battle. The technique was simple. Fitzmaurice crouched on hands and knees. Two men lifted the bomb onto his back. He crawled under the wing and then did a pressup pushing the bomb onto the crutch.
Now that was a combat fitness test.
A more modern one would be:
FS, take 10 men, fill 150 sandbags.
FS, take 10 men, stack 150 sandbags on that platform - you have 10 minutes.
FS, grubs up, the wagon is over there and leaves in 3 minutes and 11 seconds. Crawl the last 24 yards.
FS, here is all your kit, load it on that 4 tonner, you have 20 seconds.
Sure enough there was one SAC Fitzmaurice loading a 100 lb bomb onto a Fairey Battle. The technique was simple. Fitzmaurice crouched on hands and knees. Two men lifted the bomb onto his back. He crawled under the wing and then did a pressup pushing the bomb onto the crutch.
Now that was a combat fitness test.
A more modern one would be:
FS, take 10 men, fill 150 sandbags.
FS, take 10 men, stack 150 sandbags on that platform - you have 10 minutes.
FS, grubs up, the wagon is over there and leaves in 3 minutes and 11 seconds. Crawl the last 24 yards.
FS, here is all your kit, load it on that 4 tonner, you have 20 seconds.
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Perhaps the test should be type specific...
Eg. the Truckie fleet should have to:
1. Sit sown for 7hrs eating pies and drinking coffee, then..
2. Sit around waiting for MT for 3hrs, then..
3. Squeeze 10 crew members + Samsonites into elevator and ascend/descend a random number of floors, search for a room, sh1t, shower,shave and make it back to lobby bar within 7mins!
4. Get p11sed for indeterminate number of days while waiting for ac spares to arrive and clear customs.....
5......fill your boots.....
Eg. the Truckie fleet should have to:
1. Sit sown for 7hrs eating pies and drinking coffee, then..
2. Sit around waiting for MT for 3hrs, then..
3. Squeeze 10 crew members + Samsonites into elevator and ascend/descend a random number of floors, search for a room, sh1t, shower,shave and make it back to lobby bar within 7mins!
4. Get p11sed for indeterminate number of days while waiting for ac spares to arrive and clear customs.....
5......fill your boots.....
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As well as mission creep in Iraq and Afghanistan I've spotted a new phenomenon: Fitness Test creep. Some genius with not enough to keep him busy decided the existing number of pre-out of area hurdles was insufficient, so now you have to do your Annual Fitness Test as briefed, followed by the shuttle-run bit 7 and 1 weeks prior to putting your life on hold for 4 months - that is if you're TELIC-bound.
As well as all the other bolleaux there is a real cottage industry developing for those in the OOA trade.
I think we should do daily fitness tests - in fact no, hourly. I'm more and more convinced this is all designed to p1ss the boys off until numbers reduce - survival of the weakest, you could say...
As well as all the other bolleaux there is a real cottage industry developing for those in the OOA trade.
I think we should do daily fitness tests - in fact no, hourly. I'm more and more convinced this is all designed to p1ss the boys off until numbers reduce - survival of the weakest, you could say...
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Any H & S issues with this...???
Namely lifting !!!
Believe max weight for single person (PC Term) is 37lbs !!!
I know the weight varies fron the height it is lifted from...
Just an observation from experience...
Namely lifting !!!
Believe max weight for single person (PC Term) is 37lbs !!!
I know the weight varies fron the height it is lifted from...
Just an observation from experience...
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In days of yore, before PC [Physical Correctness] who were always asking you to take their trips, [gob a colb, broken ankle, arm in a sling] why the Jock Strappers of course. Who filled in for the grotty trips, why the KOS's who were always ready to fly.
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"Bloggs, you're aged over 40, so get on that execise bike - and mind you don't exceed 120 heartbeats a minute or we'll have to stop the test"!
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"Well done Bloggs, now get outside for that OFT"!
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"Well done Bloggs, now get outside for that OFT"!
Quite so, Art Field! I don't recall you, I or any other of the Athletics Anonymous* members from losing a day's flying through fitness.
But that was when there was more Air in Air Force, perhaps?
By the way, the Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992, which came into force on 1 January 1993 come under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 (HSW Act) and they implement European Directive 90/269/EEC on the manual handling of loads. This Code of Practice has been approved by the health and Safety Commission, with the consent of the Secretary of State, under section 16 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 for the purpose of providing practical guidance with respect to the provisions of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1992 and Sections 2,3 and 4 of the 1974 Act. The maximum a male operative can lift is 25kg and a female operative is only allowed to lift a maximum of 17kg (a third less than a male).
Equal Opportunities? And why are people being expected to lift the same as a manual labourer? Can a manual labourer fly an aeroplane as well as you can?
*AA - think about jockstrapping and ring a mate to talk you out of it!
But that was when there was more Air in Air Force, perhaps?
By the way, the Manual Handling Operations Regulations 1992, which came into force on 1 January 1993 come under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 (HSW Act) and they implement European Directive 90/269/EEC on the manual handling of loads. This Code of Practice has been approved by the health and Safety Commission, with the consent of the Secretary of State, under section 16 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 for the purpose of providing practical guidance with respect to the provisions of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1992 and Sections 2,3 and 4 of the 1974 Act. The maximum a male operative can lift is 25kg and a female operative is only allowed to lift a maximum of 17kg (a third less than a male).
Equal Opportunities? And why are people being expected to lift the same as a manual labourer? Can a manual labourer fly an aeroplane as well as you can?
*AA - think about jockstrapping and ring a mate to talk you out of it!
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Prior to doing the test we will probably all have to undergo pre-employment training in the form of a 'manual handling course'.
The trouble is that it won't be available from Service sources so we will pay millions for someone else to provide the training for us, probably the NHS since they will be treating us for injuries sustained in the test.
The trouble is that it won't be available from Service sources so we will pay millions for someone else to provide the training for us, probably the NHS since they will be treating us for injuries sustained in the test.
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Shovelling sh1t uphill!
4. A digging test shovel 0.125 m of sand through a hole in a wall at a height of 1 meter in 6 minutes 30 secs.
The use of a shovel is very complex and incorrect use without specialised training could cause a nasty back strain.
The litigation costs and days lost through backache could be huge!!
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I'm sure this has been thoroughly thought out, as with most new ideas in the RAF today.....
ABIW - very fair point about the ladies...
bayete - cant speak for the truckie fleet as a whole, but i assure you the loadies work fookin hard when deployed on the herc j , especially in Iraq and rarely get a chance to dry out as they are working hard all day....
Just another crazy idea, to take up more of our reducing free time...
p.s when was the last time aircrew wore webbbing?? mine is collecting dust in the garage!!
ABIW - very fair point about the ladies...
bayete - cant speak for the truckie fleet as a whole, but i assure you the loadies work fookin hard when deployed on the herc j , especially in Iraq and rarely get a chance to dry out as they are working hard all day....
Just another crazy idea, to take up more of our reducing free time...
p.s when was the last time aircrew wore webbbing?? mine is collecting dust in the garage!!
I am of the Regt type so I expect to lift heavy things and run/stagger long distances (retiring with knackered knees and lower back - but that's what I expected when I joined) and crawl from the bar after too many guinness however, this is bolleaux....... sheer work creation bolleaux!
This will just irritate the hard-working and give the work-shy another reason to be a war-dodger...........
I would love to have a quiet chat with the person who dreamed this up - If you're out there 'fess up on this forum if you dare!
This will just irritate the hard-working and give the work-shy another reason to be a war-dodger...........
I would love to have a quiet chat with the person who dreamed this up - If you're out there 'fess up on this forum if you dare!
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Wait a minute...
...this could be tailored to specific trades:
e.g.
1. Movers could lift a 25Kg box up to 1.45m (say a cargo ramp sill) ...and then drop it, f*cking the box + contents.
2. Carry a 20Kg sandbag for 30m, ripping it open on the way, losing the bag and then denying they were given it in the first place.
3. Do a 22m drive with a forklift, spearing an aircraft with the tines, then:
4. Find a shovel, collect spilt sand from test 2, return to speared ac in test 3, and shovel sand through split.
e.g.
1. Movers could lift a 25Kg box up to 1.45m (say a cargo ramp sill) ...and then drop it, f*cking the box + contents.
2. Carry a 20Kg sandbag for 30m, ripping it open on the way, losing the bag and then denying they were given it in the first place.
3. Do a 22m drive with a forklift, spearing an aircraft with the tines, then:
4. Find a shovel, collect spilt sand from test 2, return to speared ac in test 3, and shovel sand through split.
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Agree with Big Unit Specialist:
That's the most idiotic OFT I have ever seen.
Process based and a nightmare to admin and conduct. Designed by someone out to make simple, as complex as possible.
If you can run 3 miles in <23 mins, and under 30, then you're fit enough to be serving.
...and what if you fail? What happens?
That's the most idiotic OFT I have ever seen.
Process based and a nightmare to admin and conduct. Designed by someone out to make simple, as complex as possible.
If you can run 3 miles in <23 mins, and under 30, then you're fit enough to be serving.
...and what if you fail? What happens?