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Old 11th Oct 2005, 00:50
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I understand that Police chiefs and Fire chiefs have an equivalent military rank and therefore should be saluted.
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 06:36
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The only salute I ever got as a civilian was from an old-fashioned AA man at Halcon corner in Taunton many years ago! If they didn't salute a member, it meant that there was a speed trap nearby.....
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 07:36
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Policemen used to salute their senior officers ..... it became dangerous for Velocette LE mounted officers to do so, so they were allowed to made a fairly formal nod of the head to an officer (Inspectors and above). Hence the name "Noddy Bike".

There is of course one way that any civilian can get saluted .......

.... I belive it is still policy that when in uniform one should salute a funeral cortege.........

..... probably out-of-date now, but I was also taught to salute ladies (no definition provided!!), as the equivalent of raising ones hat. And on the rare occasions I find myself in uniform these days, I still do it.

So for Teeters, the answer is:

yes, providing that you are either:

a. a lady

b. dead

c. all of the above .........
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I'm with Teeters on this one. I recall being taught that you saluted a lady you recognised and like him, I still do it even if it is SAC Snook's wife.
Never have and never will salute 'equivalent' ranks and the same goes for politicians.

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Old 11th Oct 2005, 11:24
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This is one even the Americans (see WO_1 thread) have sorted - I often have to go through a US-manned (or should that be "personned"?) checkpoint with my gopping civvy 4-bars, but none of them have ever threatened to bung one up yet.
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 11:27
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they probably reckoned you were a customer and exercise officer, thereby you dont warrant a salute....

on the other hand....going through an american checkpoint, they allowed me through on a library ticket...!!!!
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 12:40
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Sad reading (i.e. I'm sure I had better things to do at the time I found this), but you'll find the latest gen on civvy equivalents at the bottom of this page:

http://www.dasa.mod.uk/natstats/ukds.../table227.html
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 14:49
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I often have to go through a US-manned (or should that be "personned"?)
I think "staffed" is the word you're looking for.
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 15:09
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I don't know about officers of the police and fire service etc., but HM Customs Officers do hold The Queen's Commision.
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 15:14
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HS58

Can you shed further light on that one!!!

Not heard that in all my time working closely with the Customs guys...
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 15:47
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Nice link Proman.

Say one is employed as a C2 in the Civil Service, and the job is RAFR(CC), commisioned as a Flt Lt (OF-2).

C2 is apparently OF-3 (Squabbling Bleeder) equivalent.

Interesting........!
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 17:29
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C2 is apparently OF-3 (Squabbling Bleeder) equivalent.
maybe 'equivalent status' certainly not 'equivalent'
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 18:34
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Even 'equivalent status' is not possible to justify, IMO, using any criterion - especially responsibility.

When I was a Civil Serf, there were similar official "tables of equivalence" going around, with Senior Executive Officer (now Band C-1) equivalent status to Commander/Wg Cdr/Lt Col as in that link.

It was tosh then, and it's tosh now.
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 18:52
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Never in the field of pprune forums have so many written so much about so little. Must be quiet out there!
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 21:24
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Interesting! Apparantly my £9 an hour temp job as an EO has equivalent to Flt Lt and my thick-as-**** "boss" as an SEO is a Wing Co!! Does this mean that if I "temped" in the MOD I'd out-rank a Fg Off as a temp scroat?
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 21:28
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UP,

bout the size of it me thinks !!!
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Old 11th Oct 2005, 21:47
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Being a civil servant in MOD and a reservist I'm trying to get used to being a Naval Lieutenant in my spare time and then going on deployment with the Army and being called "Major Jimlad".

The really stupid thing is that last time I was at Chilwell to do pre-deployment training the Army SSGT got VERY upset when I said I'm not "Major Jimlad" I'm "Mr Jimlad" as I was there as a Civvy.

Claiming a rank to which you're not entitled is the height of pretension in my book.
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Old 12th Oct 2005, 10:11
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HS58

Can you shed further light on that one!!!

Not heard that in all my time working closely with the Customs guys...
Customs & Excise officer have been commissioned for at least 2 centuries - it originated in the same way that an army or naval officer was commisioned by the crown to fulfill a specific task. I was an officer in HM Customs & Excise for almost 20 years, and I have my commission hanging here on my study wall.

Yes, there is direct rank parity - I ranked S/L, Major, Lieut. Cdr. at the time I escaped. Some bases seem more aware of the rank parity than others, but there is an official rank comparison - shame it didn't also apply to pay!
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Old 12th Oct 2005, 10:44
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HS58,

Well as they say, you learn something new everyday...!!

I certainly wasnt aware of the C & E Commision awarded for you guys...and i've had the pleasure of working with a few over the years...who knows we may have worked together too...??
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Old 12th Oct 2005, 10:49
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Now that Inland Revenue and HM Customs have been merged in to HM Reveue and Customs, does that mean that the Taxman is now an Officer and Gentleman?
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