Personal Weapons Etiquet on Entering C-130
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Personal Weapons Etiquet on Entering C-130
What is the required state for a rifle to be in when enterring a C-130 (or any a/c) when operationally deployed?
Once on deployment I was tasked to carry a stretcher patient onto a C-130. The required state for personal weapons on the airfield at that time was "Loaded".
Before entering the a/c I unloaded the weapon to err on the side of caution, but have always wondered what was the correct choice.
I wonder what the various national air forces consider to be SOP's. In my case it is RAAF.
I am medical and thus considered to be a dill by all operational types
Once on deployment I was tasked to carry a stretcher patient onto a C-130. The required state for personal weapons on the airfield at that time was "Loaded".
Before entering the a/c I unloaded the weapon to err on the side of caution, but have always wondered what was the correct choice.
I wonder what the various national air forces consider to be SOP's. In my case it is RAAF.
I am medical and thus considered to be a dill by all operational types
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On SH, it's "Made Safe". ie loaded but not one up the spout. Though unless you're combat troops jumping into somewhere, I don't really see the point in boarding a Herc with it loaded. If it all goes Pete Tong in a Herc, I think the least of your worries will be a weapon that's unloaded...
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Simple!
Complete the action and declare - "This weapon is "Made Safe"
Procedure:
According to the Rocks - "If you stumble across a weapon", or you are about to enter indoors, bus, truck or ac etc you make the weapon safe
Unload - Remove the magazine
Cock the weapon at least twice - Check and ensure there are no live rounds in the breach - fit the magazine and fire the action in a safe direction - weapon is now Made Safe - however, it's still a loaded weapon, because it has a magazine fitted - even if the magazine is empty (Catch 22) Ha! Like a pickaxe handle with no bullets!
Don't be too frightend though, your Guard Commander or friendly Load Master should always be there to guide you through the motions
Have Fun!!
Complete the action and declare - "This weapon is "Made Safe"
Procedure:
According to the Rocks - "If you stumble across a weapon", or you are about to enter indoors, bus, truck or ac etc you make the weapon safe
Unload - Remove the magazine
Cock the weapon at least twice - Check and ensure there are no live rounds in the breach - fit the magazine and fire the action in a safe direction - weapon is now Made Safe - however, it's still a loaded weapon, because it has a magazine fitted - even if the magazine is empty (Catch 22) Ha! Like a pickaxe handle with no bullets!
Don't be too frightend though, your Guard Commander or friendly Load Master should always be there to guide you through the motions
Have Fun!!
Might just be being picky, but don't you fire off the action BEFORE putting the magazine back on (in case there is somehow a round in the chamber and you have the damn thing set to AUTO!!!)
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Whilst serving at GUT it was SOP for all flights to BFS/QBM carrying troops on roulement to have them formed up by the chalk commander and have them make weapons safe, unload.
This was overseen by the Movs staff, the info was then passed to the ALM.
As for going into an Operational theatre, I would seek guidance on this matter.
This was overseen by the Movs staff, the info was then passed to the ALM.
As for going into an Operational theatre, I would seek guidance on this matter.
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"Might just be being picky, but don't you fire off the action BEFORE putting the magazine back on"
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Dude
Keep yer weapon ready to deal with chubby grumpy LMs or their sexually abused helpers
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Retiring behind kevlar jacket, for all the good that will be
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Charlie sends
Keep yer weapon ready to deal with chubby grumpy LMs or their sexually abused helpers
.Retiring behind kevlar jacket, for all the good that will be
.Charlie sends
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I reckon the golden rule is don't be at action, and don't change states of weapons readiness on the aircraft. Can't make a mistake and fire your load off inadvertantly 
L9A1 browning requires a mag on to fire. Unless you have fingers long enough to keep your wife very very amused
L9A1 browning requires a mag on to fire. Unless you have fingers long enough to keep your wife very very amused
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Pass,
Well aware that you can fire off the action with a full mag but the point is that you shouldn't ; seen too many people get complacent, especially on ops, and things can go horribly, horribly wrong.
Regards,
TP (former bomb-head, now blunty(don't ask))
Well aware that you can fire off the action with a full mag but the point is that you shouldn't ; seen too many people get complacent, especially on ops, and things can go horribly, horribly wrong.
Regards,
TP (former bomb-head, now blunty(don't ask))
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Regular Capt to SF Trooper 'Son, your safety is off'.
SF Trooper sticks up finger and smiling, replies 'This is my safety!'
In true septic fashion, 'lock and load, its gonna be a hot one!!'
But if you ever get the chance, peruse the ATF footage of the assault on Waco. Look out for the agent who accidently shoots himself in the foot whilst scaling an assault ladder. That will inspire you to apply your safety!!
And remember, 'If it runs, its VC*. If it don't run, its dead VC!!'
* insert enemy of choice.
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SF Trooper sticks up finger and smiling, replies 'This is my safety!'
In true septic fashion, 'lock and load, its gonna be a hot one!!'
But if you ever get the chance, peruse the ATF footage of the assault on Waco. Look out for the agent who accidently shoots himself in the foot whilst scaling an assault ladder. That will inspire you to apply your safety!!
And remember, 'If it runs, its VC*. If it don't run, its dead VC!!'
* insert enemy of choice.
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Radalt,
My post was not to start a trade war, just telling it as it was at that time.
The passengers whether it was for a troop move or the school kids visits were under the remit of the movs staff until handed over to the ALM..
It was a Flight Safety issue that was the main point of concern in ensuring this was done...
rgds
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My post was not to start a trade war, just telling it as it was at that time.
The passengers whether it was for a troop move or the school kids visits were under the remit of the movs staff until handed over to the ALM..
It was a Flight Safety issue that was the main point of concern in ensuring this was done...
rgds
LL