Outing a Walt!
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Outing a Walt!
Masters of the airspace. As much as I enjoy picking at your foibles (flying suits when not flying etc) I actually need some help. I think I have a Walt at work who claims to be a qualified twin engined PPL holder. He is an SAC, non technical, colour blind, lives in a dream world and is only 19 years old. I am no expert but even I know there is a minimum amount of hours required to qualify and upgrade, he claims to have got his PPL thru' flying scholarship with the ATC, this is believable, I know people who have done this but there is something about him, for a start he didn't know about PPrune!. Is there a register of qualified, PPL holders I can scan for his details as I have decided to forgo sensitivity training and out him publicly!
tbh, if he was claiming to have a normal ppl, no dramas. But a twin rating? Don't have a clue how much that costs, but you'd have to be pretty keen to pay for that off your own back, 'cause theres no way you'd get a flying scholarship to cover that!
It's a possibility he might have gotten both an RAF & an (i think its called...) air league jobber, which will put you in the right bracket for a free (ish) ppl..... but single engine....
As for not having heard of proone
shame on him........ hope you've re-educated him!
It's a possibility he might have gotten both an RAF & an (i think its called...) air league jobber, which will put you in the right bracket for a free (ish) ppl..... but single engine....
As for not having heard of proone
shame on him........ hope you've re-educated him!
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Further to the other repies:
Was 14 or so years since I first went to OASC, but if this guy is colourblind I believe he should've been in a taxi and on his way to Grantham train station as soon as the medical was over. Then again, this was back in the days of the 30hr course and before they cut the hours and started handing them out to any ATC/CCF Cpl with 5 GCSEs.
You could ask him if you can pay for a seat or 'buy him an expensive cup of tea' in exchange for a ride. Most PPLs would bite your hand off at the prospect of discounted flying.
Was 14 or so years since I first went to OASC, but if this guy is colourblind I believe he should've been in a taxi and on his way to Grantham train station as soon as the medical was over. Then again, this was back in the days of the 30hr course and before they cut the hours and started handing them out to any ATC/CCF Cpl with 5 GCSEs.
You could ask him if you can pay for a seat or 'buy him an expensive cup of tea' in exchange for a ride. Most PPLs would bite your hand off at the prospect of discounted flying.
Ok, lets do some sums..... assuming little bloggs here gets his lucky mits on 40 hrs worth of flying due to scholarships (20hrs per scol is pretty standard)..... He'd probably do those when he was 17 or so, done by the time he's turned 18 certainly. Joins the raf on turning 18/leaving school? so you're talking probably 12>18 months worth of time to do the twin.
another 5 hrs to complete his ppl perhaps? the cost of the licence.... how much is a licence fee these days? for some reason im thinking 175 quid, but not sure why!
So, thats less than a grand down the drain, call it 700 quid. How long does it take to get a twin rating anyone? And how much does it cost to hire a twin + instructor per hour?
It's not looking entirely unfeasible, but why would you do a twin rating?!
As an aside, the RAF flying schol of old is gone now. You can only get one as a "promising member" of the spaceys of either description, not just walk in off the street and apply (as I did quite a few moons ago!) Shame really.... but it all costs money! As an aside, I was told once that the old 6th form scholarships only used to actually recruit 45% of the people that got them, hence the changes made a couple of years ago!
another 5 hrs to complete his ppl perhaps? the cost of the licence.... how much is a licence fee these days? for some reason im thinking 175 quid, but not sure why!
So, thats less than a grand down the drain, call it 700 quid. How long does it take to get a twin rating anyone? And how much does it cost to hire a twin + instructor per hour?
It's not looking entirely unfeasible, but why would you do a twin rating?!
As an aside, the RAF flying schol of old is gone now. You can only get one as a "promising member" of the spaceys of either description, not just walk in off the street and apply (as I did quite a few moons ago!) Shame really.... but it all costs money! As an aside, I was told once that the old 6th form scholarships only used to actually recruit 45% of the people that got them, hence the changes made a couple of years ago!
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If he's such an amazing person, got all the scholarships, did really well in the ATC, why did he settle for a ground trade and not WSOp or WSO? If he was God's gift to flying and the RAF had invested so much in him already surely someone somewhere would've at least suggested he went to OASC?
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Oddly there are people out there that do NOT want a direct entry commission.
My opening question to one very smart airwoman (as was then) was how many A-levels have you got?
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Why don't you apply for a commission?
"I think all people who are going to give orders should experience being commanded first" or words to that effect. i believe that is the Norwegian route to a commission.
For our SAC he may not have the critical GCSE required.
Oddly there are people out there that do NOT want a direct entry commission.
My opening question to one very smart airwoman (as was then) was how many A-levels have you got?
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Why don't you apply for a commission?
"I think all people who are going to give orders should experience being commanded first" or words to that effect. i believe that is the Norwegian route to a commission.
For our SAC he may not have the critical GCSE required.
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Walt = Walter Mitty, a character in a novel by James Thurber.
Basically Walt lives in a variety of dreamworlds well outside his drab actual existence.
Hence, Walt has come to mean, in military circles, those who pretend to have service which they do not have. Usually, uber-walts pretend to have served with the SAS, SBS, 14 Company etc. It is an international phenomenon and some even boast decorations etc, purchased from car boot sales.
Basically Walt lives in a variety of dreamworlds well outside his drab actual existence.
Hence, Walt has come to mean, in military circles, those who pretend to have service which they do not have. Usually, uber-walts pretend to have served with the SAS, SBS, 14 Company etc. It is an international phenomenon and some even boast decorations etc, purchased from car boot sales.
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Aw, sh1t, you got me on that one...mind you, that's like clubbing baby seals, but still effective......
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But I knew who.....
Aw, sh1t, you got me on that one...mind you, that's like clubbing baby seals, but still effective......
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Based on the experience of my cadets he would have been lucky to get anything like the hours for a ppl through the scholarship. I seem to recall it is now funded to the point where an average stude would expect to solo (around 13 hours???).
After that you are funding the rest yourself. I do understand that the training market is a bit short of candidates at the moment so one of my cadets "made the school an offer" of around £3000 to complete his ppl.
He then went for twin rating during university holidays but by now it was serious money.
He was pretty switched on to achieve this so your candidate looks suspicious to me
After that you are funding the rest yourself. I do understand that the training market is a bit short of candidates at the moment so one of my cadets "made the school an offer" of around £3000 to complete his ppl.
He then went for twin rating during university holidays but by now it was serious money.
He was pretty switched on to achieve this so your candidate looks suspicious to me
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With regards to PPL Scholarships, it's worth keeping in mind that GAPAN still offer a full 45 hours + assorted fees scholarship. Doesn't really help much with chasing this Mitty type, but definitely worth mentioning. They rather kindly gave me the 'Cranwell Scholarship', a few years ago.
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Could it be Staxers is a bit green himself of this guys achievments!!
He might have a few bob on the family side!! Isn't that what that guy With Alpha doing and he's only 19 and running his own airline
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He might have a few bob on the family side!! Isn't that what that guy With Alpha doing and he's only 19 and running his own airline
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I'm reminded of the old Walt thread on Arrse... drat where'd I put that link...
Oh and yeah, I agree with PN's female SAC. (Says the BSc armed Flight Sgt.)
Oh and yeah, I agree with PN's female SAC. (Says the BSc armed Flight Sgt.)
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