civillians in the raf
Not strictly true Pontius...
Conversation I overheard between Sqn boss and Flt Cdr from Ex P!sstaker a few years ago...
"What do you mean he's failed!? You can't fail him, he's only going to be a doctor!"
Think he is a Sqn Ldr now.
Conversation I overheard between Sqn boss and Flt Cdr from Ex P!sstaker a few years ago...
"What do you mean he's failed!? You can't fail him, he's only going to be a doctor!"
Think he is a Sqn Ldr now.
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I think the Met Class J is to allow them to be posted around and also to deploy to war zones where other civilians would not be allowed - a sort of reserve status and terms of service.
But I may be wrong....
But I may be wrong....
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Yeah, I forgot, God can be chopped.
We had one Doc many years ago, can't remember his name, but he was in post at Waddo before he got to Cranditz but he had been through OASC.
OTOH if your Doc was not chopped it just reinforces the opinion - not real officers
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We had one Doc many years ago, can't remember his name, but he was in post at Waddo before he got to Cranditz but he had been through OASC.
OTOH if your Doc was not chopped it just reinforces the opinion - not real officers
.
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More info on "Sponsored Reserves" (basically the old J Class) can be found here
This details the difference in terms of service between RAFR (Civilian Component) and "operational" RAFR.
This details the difference in terms of service between RAFR (Civilian Component) and "operational" RAFR.
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I think, but am not certain of my facts, that SR and RAFR(CC) are similar concepts, but different in practice. i.e. a Forecaster can work for the MO holding a SR commitment, so whilst working at RAF Fiddling in the Bog is a civil servant (and therefore entitled to wear the forecaster's uniform... tanktop)... and only dons uniform when sent into an operational theatre with the MMU.
Whereas the RAFR(CC) is a Civil Servant who wears uniform to do his daily job because he needs to be a "member of the armed forces" to do so (e.g. ATCO or Flying Instructor), but is unlikely to be sent into theatre unless specifically recalled under RFA96?
(grateful for anyone to correct me if wrong)
I think, but am not certain of my facts, that SR and RAFR(CC) are similar concepts, but different in practice. i.e. a Forecaster can work for the MO holding a SR commitment, so whilst working at RAF Fiddling in the Bog is a civil servant (and therefore entitled to wear the forecaster's uniform... tanktop)... and only dons uniform when sent into an operational theatre with the MMU.
Whereas the RAFR(CC) is a Civil Servant who wears uniform to do his daily job because he needs to be a "member of the armed forces" to do so (e.g. ATCO or Flying Instructor), but is unlikely to be sent into theatre unless specifically recalled under RFA96?
(grateful for anyone to correct me if wrong)
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Ops and Mops, Pierre Argh and PN et al.
Correct.
Most members of the MMU are "part time" sponsored reserves.
They have day jobs as weather forecasters, observers and engineers in the Met Office, and are called up into active service to go off on operations and exercises. They have a minimum commitment each year, have to be fully CCS, medical, fitness and IRT current, as in theory they are held at R2. Most part timers do between 2 months and 9 months a year deployed. There are also a few full time sponsored reserve members, who work at HQ, and are in uniform 24/7, meaning they are liable for the same duties as regulars, including duty officer etc. Some full time members are deployed on opperations over 10 months each year to meet the Units commitments to MoD.
Selection for Officers is via Met Office interviews, then the full OASC process. They then do a RAuxAF 2 weeks recruits course befor ROIT. ISS and JOCC then follow later in career. There are moves to get them onto SERE. Other ranks are enlisted as AC's. After recruit training they then follow the standard RAuxAF pattern for promotion, attending the J/I/AMLC along side the regulars to get promoted to Cpl, Sgt etc.
Several years ago, all members were recruited from experience Met Office staff. Now the Met Office has shrunk and gone on to become more of a dot com, that route has all but gone. Most members are now recruited direct from civi street. From their initial Met Office interview to first deployment as a junior forecaster takes over 2 years. This includes military and professional training. Loss/chop rate is well over 50%.
Gone are the days when if the Met Office liked you, the RAF had to acept them. Now everyone has to meet the standard.
For a very small unit, that has opperational commitments resulting in part timers deploying on Ops (NOT Ex's) on avarage 3 months every year, plus Ex, plus training, the valuse HM Armed Forces is getting is high. Reflecting in the Units very high medal count.
Correct.
Most members of the MMU are "part time" sponsored reserves.
They have day jobs as weather forecasters, observers and engineers in the Met Office, and are called up into active service to go off on operations and exercises. They have a minimum commitment each year, have to be fully CCS, medical, fitness and IRT current, as in theory they are held at R2. Most part timers do between 2 months and 9 months a year deployed. There are also a few full time sponsored reserve members, who work at HQ, and are in uniform 24/7, meaning they are liable for the same duties as regulars, including duty officer etc. Some full time members are deployed on opperations over 10 months each year to meet the Units commitments to MoD.
Selection for Officers is via Met Office interviews, then the full OASC process. They then do a RAuxAF 2 weeks recruits course befor ROIT. ISS and JOCC then follow later in career. There are moves to get them onto SERE. Other ranks are enlisted as AC's. After recruit training they then follow the standard RAuxAF pattern for promotion, attending the J/I/AMLC along side the regulars to get promoted to Cpl, Sgt etc.
Several years ago, all members were recruited from experience Met Office staff. Now the Met Office has shrunk and gone on to become more of a dot com, that route has all but gone. Most members are now recruited direct from civi street. From their initial Met Office interview to first deployment as a junior forecaster takes over 2 years. This includes military and professional training. Loss/chop rate is well over 50%.
Gone are the days when if the Met Office liked you, the RAF had to acept them. Now everyone has to meet the standard.
For a very small unit, that has opperational commitments resulting in part timers deploying on Ops (NOT Ex's) on avarage 3 months every year, plus Ex, plus training, the valuse HM Armed Forces is getting is high. Reflecting in the Units very high medal count.
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RAFR (CC)
I apologise for "piggybacking " on this thread, but the knowledge I'm looking for appears to be here!
Can anyone tell me where I can find information on the RAFR (CC)? I find the TORs for AVO's to be quite ambiguous.
Can anyone tell me where I can find information on the RAFR (CC)? I find the TORs for AVO's to be quite ambiguous.
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At a pongo briefing today the head briefer graciously refered to Tommy Atkins, Jack Tar and Gentlemen Aircrew.
Nice to know a Scots DG recognises other gentlemen.
Gets tin hat and jumps for cover.
Nice to know a Scots DG recognises other gentlemen.
Gets tin hat and jumps for cover.
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Well some time back, I believe, they removed the "Officer and Gentleman" requirement... allegedly replacing it with "Officer OR Gentleman" so, Pontious from that you can draw your own conclusions?
