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Attention All Air Forces!!!
Change your SOPs, Speedbird 001 has calculated that 'a few inverted rolls will get you to altitude faster!' Revolutionary... I wonder why Interceptors all over the world have not been spiralling to height since flight began! Although it is clear that an inverted pull can help you to capture an altitude more quickly (see previous posts...) I am not wrong at all when I state that doing a few on the way up will not get you there ANY faster, perhaps even slower. I hate nit pickers but I also hate being told I'm wrong when I'm clearly not.
Come to think of it, with my nit picking head on, I never extended you an invite to fly with me, I stated that I would never give you the opportunity, so how you can refuse it I'm not entirely sure. Also, I did not prove any point of yours - I maintain that speed has nothing to do with being airsick and is therefore irrelevant as comparison - ask any ATC cadet trudging along at 90 kts (or whatever speed you pedant) and filling the old white bags.
YOU are wrong on 3 more counts, you're not actually a Speedbird pilot are you...?
Change your SOPs, Speedbird 001 has calculated that 'a few inverted rolls will get you to altitude faster!' Revolutionary... I wonder why Interceptors all over the world have not been spiralling to height since flight began! Although it is clear that an inverted pull can help you to capture an altitude more quickly (see previous posts...) I am not wrong at all when I state that doing a few on the way up will not get you there ANY faster, perhaps even slower. I hate nit pickers but I also hate being told I'm wrong when I'm clearly not.
Come to think of it, with my nit picking head on, I never extended you an invite to fly with me, I stated that I would never give you the opportunity, so how you can refuse it I'm not entirely sure. Also, I did not prove any point of yours - I maintain that speed has nothing to do with being airsick and is therefore irrelevant as comparison - ask any ATC cadet trudging along at 90 kts (or whatever speed you pedant) and filling the old white bags.
YOU are wrong on 3 more counts, you're not actually a Speedbird pilot are you...?
Twaddle.
001 said: If you don’t know that rolls to the inverted get aircraft to altitude quicker.....
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and a few inverted rolls on the way up to get there faster .....
FFS read what is being written and learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. Learn to say what you mean and think about what you are really saying.
Here is all you need to know about climb performance: http://flighttest.navair.navy.mil/un.../FTM108/c7.pdf start at page 13.
BEagle's discussion is actually about the quicked way to capture and maintain a specific or assigned altitude as opposed to the most altitude gain in the shortest time. Anything like banking, rolling, pushing or pulling the aircraft's flight path away from its optimum climb schedule will result in less that optimum time to height, the quickest way to capture a particular altitude at the end of said climb is to roll and pull.
Tarnished
001 said: If you don’t know that rolls to the inverted get aircraft to altitude quicker.....
and
and a few inverted rolls on the way up to get there faster .....
FFS read what is being written and learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. Learn to say what you mean and think about what you are really saying.
Here is all you need to know about climb performance: http://flighttest.navair.navy.mil/un.../FTM108/c7.pdf start at page 13.
BEagle's discussion is actually about the quicked way to capture and maintain a specific or assigned altitude as opposed to the most altitude gain in the shortest time. Anything like banking, rolling, pushing or pulling the aircraft's flight path away from its optimum climb schedule will result in less that optimum time to height, the quickest way to capture a particular altitude at the end of said climb is to roll and pull.
Tarnished
Thank you SG, that is my family motto, we have lived by it for many generations.
Thing is I used to understand everything in that book - I've got a certificate to prove it!
Tarnished
Thing is I used to understand everything in that book - I've got a certificate to prove it!
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Tarnished: A truly informed response. Just what I was after.
Soiled: ATC girls with large t#ts? ..wtf..lol
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Head to Earth: Woe boy I sense a little hostility…chill your boots…
I’m not nit picking at all. If I was nit picking I’d have originally suggested that unless you were the OC of 20 Sqdn, then you had absolutely no grounds for making a statement suggesting the possibility of “giving anyone the chance” of flying with you. However even if I indulge you a second time, I fear that ‘no invitation’ is no great loss to myself or the remainder of the world’s population as potential backseaters and to be honest consider it a mercy for both parties, as I’m sure would your OC.
If I did have your job I could continue this banter indefinitely but as I’m sure we’ve both now reached a mutual level of contempt for each other I must admit that your not really much sport anymore….
….charming syntax btw, it reminds me of a 72(R) Sqdn northerner who was also the ‘first ever pilot.’ Almost endearing…., almost.
001
Soiled: ATC girls with large t#ts? ..wtf..lol
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Head to Earth: Woe boy I sense a little hostility…chill your boots…
I’m not nit picking at all. If I was nit picking I’d have originally suggested that unless you were the OC of 20 Sqdn, then you had absolutely no grounds for making a statement suggesting the possibility of “giving anyone the chance” of flying with you. However even if I indulge you a second time, I fear that ‘no invitation’ is no great loss to myself or the remainder of the world’s population as potential backseaters and to be honest consider it a mercy for both parties, as I’m sure would your OC.
If I did have your job I could continue this banter indefinitely but as I’m sure we’ve both now reached a mutual level of contempt for each other I must admit that your not really much sport anymore….
….charming syntax btw, it reminds me of a 72(R) Sqdn northerner who was also the ‘first ever pilot.’ Almost endearing…., almost.
001
