Eh-101 Merlin
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Well it is doing well in sandy places, taking a lot of the strain from the other platforms. Availability is high and the speed and range is popular with the customers, as is the cabin room. Who would have thought it!
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One reason that Merlin's payload if more modest than the Chinook's is that it is built to modern standards of crashworthiness.
Or did I miss something in basic helicopter design class. Is the R22 actually the safest helicopter flying because of its modest payload? Do modern safety standards dictate that a crap capablity equals high safety standards.
The type didn't win the Presidential Helicopter competition for nothing, either.
You may not be aware that on a number of occasions, people have walked away from crashes that would have been fatal in a Sea King or a Chinook.
Well it is doing well in sandy places, taking a lot of the strain from the other platforms. Availability is high and the speed and range is popular with the customers, as is the cabin room.
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One reason that Merlin's payload if more modest than the Chinook's is that it is built to modern standards of crashworthiness.
Not wrong, but why compare Merlin with Chinook in the first place?
Am I correct in saying the RN first selected Merlin? They envisaged two roles from day 1. Primary ASW, replacing SK5 and SK6. Secondary Commando, augmenting, not replacing, SK4. This is 20+ years ago, but I recall the specifics hadnt been thrashed out as to whether all (103!!) cabs would be ASW and a proportion supplied with role mods to convert, or whether some would be non-ASW from the start. I suspect the latter the detail of the role mods was being worked out (in 1985!) and the time to convert was horrendous.
The RAF requirement came along later and that is where I believe the politics kicked in, not least because the RN buy was decreasing rapidly with every passing LTC round. Industry (not just Westland) had been encouraged to plan for 103 and, unusually, had been allowed to publish this detail. In simple terms, the MoD didnt look too good when it cut the RN, so people viewed RAF Merlin as a political expediency to allow them to say the total Merlin buy was pretty close (or at least closer) to the original provision. I may not be wholly correct, but I'm not too far out.
Not wrong, but why compare Merlin with Chinook in the first place?
Am I correct in saying the RN first selected Merlin? They envisaged two roles from day 1. Primary ASW, replacing SK5 and SK6. Secondary Commando, augmenting, not replacing, SK4. This is 20+ years ago, but I recall the specifics hadnt been thrashed out as to whether all (103!!) cabs would be ASW and a proportion supplied with role mods to convert, or whether some would be non-ASW from the start. I suspect the latter the detail of the role mods was being worked out (in 1985!) and the time to convert was horrendous.
The RAF requirement came along later and that is where I believe the politics kicked in, not least because the RN buy was decreasing rapidly with every passing LTC round. Industry (not just Westland) had been encouraged to plan for 103 and, unusually, had been allowed to publish this detail. In simple terms, the MoD didnt look too good when it cut the RN, so people viewed RAF Merlin as a political expediency to allow them to say the total Merlin buy was pretty close (or at least closer) to the original provision. I may not be wholly correct, but I'm not too far out.
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From: Z3TX68
Yet again we have "Bah Humbug Turnbull" having a pop at the Merlin, makes a change from not having a pop at the "gimmick filled display"!
Whats the matter, drafter not let you go and play with the new toy?
I bet the joys of the world just excude from your gaff.. Just accept its the new kid on the block and that its proving quite popular
Whats the matter, drafter not let you go and play with the new toy?
I bet the joys of the world just excude from your gaff.. Just accept its the new kid on the block and that its proving quite popular
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Canada decided to inspect regularly and repair as necessary.
The parts (half-hubs) on the tail rotor have a life of 1700hrs, yet have been showing cracks into the main structure at an average of about 35hrs.
Due to these problems, the Danes had been refusing delivery of their 14 EH101s.
As for the a/c itself, everyone here loves it.
Last edited by Huron Topp; 26th September 2005 at 11:48.
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far from it TURNBULL, not getting personal at all, just stating a fact that you are completely anti-merlin and slag it off at every opportunity. Its a free country so you are entitled to your opinions as I am entitled to mine of your posts.
Can you deny that you are anti-merlin?
Can you deny that you are anti-merlin?
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It'll have nothing to do with the three engined miracle's MAUM of 15 tons v its zero fuel wt of 10.5 tons and the Wokka's 24.5 MAUM v 12.5 ton ZFW then?
Lucky the happy customers have a choice, Merlin or walk
Not anti-merlin?
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NR Droop,
Read it and weep matey.
Please visit us any time you like and ask anyone you like on the Squadron.
I have just had 2 years away flying my desk and have come back to a system that is working, making targets and has high morale.
Still if like your brains shaken out.
SI
Read it and weep matey.
Please visit us any time you like and ask anyone you like on the Squadron.
I have just had 2 years away flying my desk and have come back to a system that is working, making targets and has high morale.
Still if like your brains shaken out.
SI
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Either way, relax. Move along, there's nothing to see here.
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Either way, relax. Move along, there's nothing to see here.
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Sorry, but there is a lot to see here and discuss. I have two major concerns:
1. Can anybody explain me how the main beam's were constructed and how the strenght is compared with oldtime aluminum beam`s as in a Lynx? My consideration is the extreme deteroation of the Merlin crash at Couldrose!
2. As a simpel pilot I am conserned when people tell me that the major parts of the tail rotor construction is manufactered in Italie by hand and these parts vary in shapes and forms!!
I have no problems in noticing the great potential of the Merlin. It is an up to date helicopter, that have some flaws.
And no I am not "a scared future Danish Merlin aircrew member". I just have an interest in the matter. Why don't you guys try to tell me something I donīt know, instead of being the usual w... a..!!!!
Either way, relax. Move along, there's nothing to see here.
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Sorry, but there is a lot to see here and discuss. I have two major concerns:
1. Can anybody explain me how the main beam's were constructed and how the strenght is compared with oldtime aluminum beam`s as in a Lynx? My consideration is the extreme deteroation of the Merlin crash at Couldrose!
2. As a simpel pilot I am conserned when people tell me that the major parts of the tail rotor construction is manufactered in Italie by hand and these parts vary in shapes and forms!!
I have no problems in noticing the great potential of the Merlin. It is an up to date helicopter, that have some flaws.
And no I am not "a scared future Danish Merlin aircrew member". I just have an interest in the matter. Why don't you guys try to tell me something I donīt know, instead of being the usual w... a..!!!!