Saluting the ensign.
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I have to say, for all my ranting earlier, that the place I work at has a very sensible situation. The Duty Ops Officer does all the triv (important ceremonial functions). In fact the SDO is only called if there are multiple things going on and he/she can't be in two places at once.
I can't remember the last time one was called out (bound to happen next time I'm on, then) and it seems to be there cos someone can't let go entirely. Very grown up tho. That can't last!
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I can't remember the last time one was called out (bound to happen next time I'm on, then) and it seems to be there cos someone can't let go entirely. Very grown up tho. That can't last!
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?Common Sense?
Perhaps I am being a trifle naive; but surely as the raising/lowering is a ceremonial duty it should be performed in No 1s.
This removes the issue about having to change. YOU BLOODY WELL SHOULD CHANGE INTO SMART TOGS TO SALUTE SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTS THE MONARCH It doesn't take any longer to get changed out of flying suit into 1s than it does for a blunt to put a fresh shirt on and look presentable for an important duty.
If your duty i.e. flying or whatever requires you to miss the flag waving then I doubt all your mates on your squadron/relevant admin section are equally busy. If you don't have any mates you deserve all the trouble you get into.
As for changing out of flying suits in the mess, if uniform is not allowed fair enough, odd as the uniform is usually smarter than the assorted semi-jean semi-trousers and dodgy cheap polo shirts that are prevalent, but fair none the less. If uniform but not flying clothing is allowed frankly GROW UP. Flying suits are working dress for a percentage of the RAF. As you would be allowed to wear tropical kit in certain OOA detachments because it is apropriate to what you are doing even though they are not blues; so flying clothing should be allowed for those whose duty each day means they have the potential to go flying.
Surely there are more important matters worthy of our discussion in these times!? End of pettynees please
This removes the issue about having to change. YOU BLOODY WELL SHOULD CHANGE INTO SMART TOGS TO SALUTE SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTS THE MONARCH It doesn't take any longer to get changed out of flying suit into 1s than it does for a blunt to put a fresh shirt on and look presentable for an important duty.
If your duty i.e. flying or whatever requires you to miss the flag waving then I doubt all your mates on your squadron/relevant admin section are equally busy. If you don't have any mates you deserve all the trouble you get into.
As for changing out of flying suits in the mess, if uniform is not allowed fair enough, odd as the uniform is usually smarter than the assorted semi-jean semi-trousers and dodgy cheap polo shirts that are prevalent, but fair none the less. If uniform but not flying clothing is allowed frankly GROW UP. Flying suits are working dress for a percentage of the RAF. As you would be allowed to wear tropical kit in certain OOA detachments because it is apropriate to what you are doing even though they are not blues; so flying clothing should be allowed for those whose duty each day means they have the potential to go flying.
Surely there are more important matters worthy of our discussion in these times!? End of pettynees please
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When I was a Flt Sgt in the CCF (RAF) Cadets and on base, I was always told by the CO that if out whilst leading a group and the appointed time came, I was meant to halt the group, turn and face the direction of the flag, salute, and then once over carry on ... is this/was this correct?
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Before moving here to Pongosville this Rock always conducted duties in blues (Shirt/tie and stupid woolly pully). I wore that rig during the day unless my primary duty made it impossible. Chamber work isn't much fun dressed like that!
My tuppenceworth; do the job, in blues (1s or 2s depending on local SROs). If you can't then sort out a replacement.
I would cetainly not expect the OO to inspect defaulters in gro-bag or CS 95.
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ss
My tuppenceworth; do the job, in blues (1s or 2s depending on local SROs). If you can't then sort out a replacement.
I would cetainly not expect the OO to inspect defaulters in gro-bag or CS 95.
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Yes I know this is a bit sad, but AP818 states...
On hearing {the whistle}, all personnel out of doors are to stop movement, turn and face the direction of the flagstaff and stand at Attention. Officers are to salute. A warrant officer who is orderly officer is to salute; other warrant officers do not.
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If local orders specify "clean working dress" then whatever your "working dress" is (as long as it's clean), that should be fine as long as the ceremony is treated with the solemnity that it deserves. I know of few officers that do not wear flying suits, blues or CS95 as their standard working dress, and IMHO they are all fine and reflect the modern working force we are. We are all (regardless of branch) busy enough without having to waste time worrying about what togs we wear during a routine (though not unimportant) "ceremony".
On the subject of defaulters, I always inspect them in No1s, irrespective of local orders. I think it is important to look as smart as possible in order to set the best example (and to act as a springboard from which to launch the mother of all rollockings if they're shoddily turned out).
And don't even think about getting me started on time wasting SWOs...
On the subject of defaulters, I always inspect them in No1s, irrespective of local orders. I think it is important to look as smart as possible in order to set the best example (and to act as a springboard from which to launch the mother of all rollockings if they're shoddily turned out).
And don't even think about getting me started on time wasting SWOs...
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I remember during fg trg (some moons ago I might add) receiving the task of OO and having drunk 'in moderation' the night before made it to the yard arm at 0759:30seconds wearing the first thing that came to hand when I woke up at 0757. A beer soaked flying suit with no rank tabs or badges, chip bag and slippers (no shirt or socks). Needless to say I was given roughly one thousand and twenty one reasons as to why No 2 working dress was the order of the day.
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Oooh get you.
Michael Edic.
We shall all consider ourselves told off then.
Last time I checked, this was a chat forum and, hence, we can talk about what ever we want.
I personally will grow up when I'm god damn good and ready! Don't hold your breath that that will happen any time soon!
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We shall all consider ourselves told off then.
Last time I checked, this was a chat forum and, hence, we can talk about what ever we want.
I personally will grow up when I'm god damn good and ready! Don't hold your breath that that will happen any time soon!
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Suck it up. You took the Queen's shilling. You are an officer in the Royal Air Force. Wear a uniform and salute the ensign with pride.
There's more to leadership than leading a four ship. You need to set an example on the deck.
Our groundie bretheren are perfectly aware that the habitual wearing of growbags when not flying is simply lazy. They aren't out there lowering the ensign in their coveralls.
No shirt to iron, no trousers to press and no shoes to polish. You don't look like a steely eyed hero, you look like a lazy git.
There's more to leadership than leading a four ship. You need to set an example on the deck.
Our groundie bretheren are perfectly aware that the habitual wearing of growbags when not flying is simply lazy. They aren't out there lowering the ensign in their coveralls.
No shirt to iron, no trousers to press and no shoes to polish. You don't look like a steely eyed hero, you look like a lazy git.
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Here goes......
I have to say I'm amazed at the life in this thread!
How many of those that have objected to flying suits for saluting actually wear one themselves?
Not criticising, just asking!!
BV
How many of those that have objected to flying suits for saluting actually wear one themselves?
Not criticising, just asking!!
BV
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There's more to leadership than leading a four ship.
And I speak as a 'baldrick' that hands his kit in on Monday
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Bob V,
I think if you analyse the responses carefully you will realise that the majority are for tradition and that the majority of that majority are aircrew!
You are likely in the minority, old chap!
Bloggs
(FJ aircrew; led 8-ships & Gorillas; and never attended to the flag in a flying suit!)
I think if you analyse the responses carefully you will realise that the majority are for tradition and that the majority of that majority are aircrew!
You are likely in the minority, old chap!
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(FJ aircrew; led 8-ships & Gorillas; and never attended to the flag in a flying suit!)
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Minority eh.
Well I happen to be aware of a fairly substantial 'minority' where I work and it's nothing to do with laziness or showing off in a flying suit. It's just a matter of practicality.
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Bob Viking,
My "flying suit" was usually No 2 HD but quite often No 1 HD. In fact, when we needed some "green growbags" for a specific task we had to acquire them from another Station.
At least you get the romper suit provided and don't have to do the externals in your No 1.
My "flying suit" was usually No 2 HD but quite often No 1 HD. In fact, when we needed some "green growbags" for a specific task we had to acquire them from another Station.
At least you get the romper suit provided and don't have to do the externals in your No 1.
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Still going.
Cazatou.
Respect to you my friend. Don't envy the blues for flying though!
Splash Cox.
Yes, thats exactly why they're scrapping the Jag. Because we don't like getting changed into blues. If only we'd complied, we might have escaped the attention of the government! Damn me and my crazy opinions!
Personally I think getting the job done is a bit more important than wearing my scratchy blue trousers.
BV
Respect to you my friend. Don't envy the blues for flying though!
Splash Cox.
Yes, thats exactly why they're scrapping the Jag. Because we don't like getting changed into blues. If only we'd complied, we might have escaped the attention of the government! Damn me and my crazy opinions!
Personally I think getting the job done is a bit more important than wearing my scratchy blue trousers.
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Surely it is easier to wear shirt/trousers and change into grow bag in the morning and arrange not to fly in the evening. The duty comes but 4 times a year and although a ball ache at least shows willing and gives the admin/fish heads less ammunition. You should try being aircrew in a RN Frigate and see how many sh**ty jobs come your way.
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Bob Viking,
Better the "Blues for flying" than a week in a Moscow Military Hotel in a "Green Growbag".
The wooden Hotel in Guyana in 1969 was better than that!!!!
PS That was a VIP Flight too.
PPS Teheran was also a definite "No-No" for Growbags.
Better the "Blues for flying" than a week in a Moscow Military Hotel in a "Green Growbag".
The wooden Hotel in Guyana in 1969 was better than that!!!!
PS That was a VIP Flight too.
PPS Teheran was also a definite "No-No" for Growbags.
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