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PEd flight to be equiped with Public Access Defibrillators me thinks, if that is to actioned, potential for lots of Cardiac Arrests!
Max effort is needed, but regular training needs to be reintroduced..... Sports afternoons, encouragement to train a must. The way ahead should be to increase the level to be reached every year. Not max out until you are out forever!
Train hard, work hard, play hard
Hoist to crew winching over and out
Max effort is needed, but regular training needs to be reintroduced..... Sports afternoons, encouragement to train a must. The way ahead should be to increase the level to be reached every year. Not max out until you are out forever!
Train hard, work hard, play hard
Hoist to crew winching over and out
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Great party line from a fat bloke there!
DRJ can easily be read on cross trainer/exercise bike.
Bottom line, if you can't pass our feeble excuse of a fitness test, out you go!!
DRJ can easily be read on cross trainer/exercise bike.
Bottom line, if you can't pass our feeble excuse of a fitness test, out you go!!
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From what I can recall, it really didn't matter how fit you were when you went to Cranwell. The only issue was whether you were selected for groups A,B,C or D. I notice from previous posts that group D no longer exists. Just as well because it pi**ed us all off mightily when Cpl ******* would come out of the gym and announce that everyone was to do endurance training (beasting) except group D (fat bast**ds and birds) who went off swimming. Lazy good for nothings.
At the end of the day everyone went away fitter.
I am of the opinion by the way, that if you pitch up completely unfit and then improve throughout the course, you will stand out more than the fit bloke who doesn't improve much at all!!!! Now that is playing the game right from the start!!!!
At the end of the day everyone went away fitter.
I am of the opinion by the way, that if you pitch up completely unfit and then improve throughout the course, you will stand out more than the fit bloke who doesn't improve much at all!!!! Now that is playing the game right from the start!!!!
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My issue with the fitness test is that put simply I do not have and have never had the frame for running. Despite my best efforts I struggle to run any significant distance and feel the run isn't a reflection on my true fitness. I go to the gym regularly, I can cycle for miles, I fence and I can do all sorts of things - but I cannot for the life of me, despite masses of effort trying run 1.5miles in 12 minutes. Does that make me unfit to serve?
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Hear Hear to all who say "if you can't pass the current test's you should be on your way out" (geuine downgrades excepted) Heard the one about the 19 year old techie who came out of Halton and Cosford onto a Rapier Sqn having never passed his AFT? Not a joke, a fact. Is he still in? yes but no longer on a Rapier Sqn, sitting on his arse at a sleepy hollow now. Rant over!
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I don't know where all this 'every one as fit as an infantryman' came from - it certainly didn't come from the Regiment, nor are we ever likely to suggest anything like it. Sounds like somebody dreamed it up as a suitable Rock-bashing rumour (not that as such it would necessarily be wrong on this site..!).
There's no harm in general fitness levels being raised though, and even though the pass standards aren't changing with the new version of the RAFFT it does go some way towards raising the profile of the issue.
There's no harm in general fitness levels being raised though, and even though the pass standards aren't changing with the new version of the RAFFT it does go some way towards raising the profile of the issue.
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And what about the Operational Fitness Assessment being introduced in Apr 06 according to some recent literature.
This involves lifting weights onto the back of a 4 tonner, digging a sand pit, crawling under a net and some shuttle runs - all in boots, helmet, weapon and greens.
Incentive to pass - a free 4 month holiday in the desert. Those who fail? Nothing specified yet - the only way to treat them surely is to reduce their pay??!!
This involves lifting weights onto the back of a 4 tonner, digging a sand pit, crawling under a net and some shuttle runs - all in boots, helmet, weapon and greens.
Incentive to pass - a free 4 month holiday in the desert. Those who fail? Nothing specified yet - the only way to treat them surely is to reduce their pay??!!
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Simply, what's wrong with the idea of really just being fit to serve?
If your job becomes compromised because you huff, puff, fall over, have a coronary, or can't lift enough, then you're not fit enough for your job.
If you go to work, do everything you need to do at least as well and as quick as the bloke next to you, but choose to be obese, drink 10 pints and smoke 40 a day, is that really a problem?
Problems should only arise if you have a guy that everyone else has to cover for during his lack of fitness; or you have a bloke who can't sustain a 3-sorties-a-day flying rate; or a bloke who can't carry his appropriate level of equipment around while marching.
I'd be annoyed if I could fly 2 ACT trips a day, get everything done, and still smell sweet when I get home; yet be bo****ed senseless because I can't do shuttle runs fast enough....?
If your job becomes compromised because you huff, puff, fall over, have a coronary, or can't lift enough, then you're not fit enough for your job.
If you go to work, do everything you need to do at least as well and as quick as the bloke next to you, but choose to be obese, drink 10 pints and smoke 40 a day, is that really a problem?
Problems should only arise if you have a guy that everyone else has to cover for during his lack of fitness; or you have a bloke who can't sustain a 3-sorties-a-day flying rate; or a bloke who can't carry his appropriate level of equipment around while marching.
I'd be annoyed if I could fly 2 ACT trips a day, get everything done, and still smell sweet when I get home; yet be bo****ed senseless because I can't do shuttle runs fast enough....?
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Penalties for failure ...
Allegedly as below:
1st failure, 12 weeks remedial PTI package - in your 'own time carry on' - then retest
2nd failure - subject to having attended and carried out said stage 1 training, more remedial PTI, and interview - no coffee with senior management. OJAR / 6000 compromised (sp?)
3rd failure, subject to etc etc, more remedial PTI stuff. Medical involvement to check physiology, possible formal warning.
4th failure. subject to etc etc. Admin discharge.
QED a free get out.
1st failure, 12 weeks remedial PTI package - in your 'own time carry on' - then retest
2nd failure - subject to having attended and carried out said stage 1 training, more remedial PTI, and interview - no coffee with senior management. OJAR / 6000 compromised (sp?)
3rd failure, subject to etc etc, more remedial PTI stuff. Medical involvement to check physiology, possible formal warning.
4th failure. subject to etc etc. Admin discharge.
QED a free get out.
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I find this all very ammusing!
"I cannot for the life of me, despite masses of effort trying run 1.5miles in 12 minutes. Does that make me unfit to serve?"
Err, yes Next you'll be telling us you're not fat, you've just got too much skin! Get out and train, it works miracles!
"I wonder what the incentive will be to go further than the minimum? Higher pay band? Better 6000 / OJAR? Extra Leave?"
"Fail to see the point of this, as there will be no benefit to achieving more than the bloke who passes at the minimum."
How about self respect, dignity perhaps. I bet you're fat and smoke tabs!
Let's be honest though chaps. RAF and fitness tests are not terms that sit comfortably alongside each other are they?
"I cannot for the life of me, despite masses of effort trying run 1.5miles in 12 minutes. Does that make me unfit to serve?"
Err, yes Next you'll be telling us you're not fat, you've just got too much skin! Get out and train, it works miracles!
"I wonder what the incentive will be to go further than the minimum? Higher pay band? Better 6000 / OJAR? Extra Leave?"
"Fail to see the point of this, as there will be no benefit to achieving more than the bloke who passes at the minimum."
How about self respect, dignity perhaps. I bet you're fat and smoke tabs!
Let's be honest though chaps. RAF and fitness tests are not terms that sit comfortably alongside each other are they?
"Let's be honest though chaps. RAF and fitness tests are not terms that sit comfortably alongside each other are they?"
That certainly seemed to be the case for roughly the first 75 years of the RAF.
And wasn't a particular problem either.
That certainly seemed to be the case for roughly the first 75 years of the RAF.
And wasn't a particular problem either.
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Reminds me of a proud senior guy (age-wise) who failed his AFT, yet had been a keen sportsman in his youth. Was so upset he beasted himself on the squash court. As he left the changing room he keeled over & snuffed it, god rest his soul...
Prediction: The new scheme will only last until the first death under test...for those more senior how will you ensure it isn't you?
Prediction: The new scheme will only last until the first death under test...for those more senior how will you ensure it isn't you?
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Prediction: The new scheme will only last until the first death under test...for those more senior how will you ensure it isn't you?
... there is a highly qualified PEd Flt that can give you guidance! Ask guardroom for directions to Gymnasium.Train hard, work hard, play hard.
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Although I am not joining the RAF I am joinig the armed forces as a Royal Marines Officer...As most of you may know the fitness level required is extremly high! Just to pass the first test on the Potential Officer Course you need to achieve a min. of Level 11 in the bleep test and a max of 15.5 and this is all followed by many other very hard tests....and thats just the first day. For more info on the 'POC' go to http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/9004.html
As the bleep test has now being stopped in schools as some kid got hurt in it this means that the up and coming officers for all the armed forces should deffinatly buy themseleves an official bleep test CD, these can be bought on ebay for about £5 or at a sports shop for £20...When you have your own CD you can pratise yourself by just marking out a 20m distance and using a CD player...I would recommend always aiming to get a level higher than the max of what they require as this will allow you to sail straight through the test! By doing this I have managed to achieve Level 16 without being too out of breath and Level 17+ when I really push it!
I deffinatly reccomend to everyone that wants to join the armed forces to buy themseleves this CD and just train, train, train and then train harder!! Then when your really knackered...go for a 10 mile run!!
As the bleep test has now being stopped in schools as some kid got hurt in it this means that the up and coming officers for all the armed forces should deffinatly buy themseleves an official bleep test CD, these can be bought on ebay for about £5 or at a sports shop for £20...When you have your own CD you can pratise yourself by just marking out a 20m distance and using a CD player...I would recommend always aiming to get a level higher than the max of what they require as this will allow you to sail straight through the test! By doing this I have managed to achieve Level 16 without being too out of breath and Level 17+ when I really push it!
I deffinatly reccomend to everyone that wants to join the armed forces to buy themseleves this CD and just train, train, train and then train harder!! Then when your really knackered...go for a 10 mile run!!
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BEags,
thought it was obvious dear chap, the Regt w****** and the PEd types. Talk about job creation, it will now take an entire day to do. As im in JHC i dont wear webbing but prefer a chest rig as more convenient, but apparently i HAVE TO wear webbing for the new test. It is truly bollocks and am glad im off to chill in SA with my fiance!
Downhiller,
A tadge bit of a difference between the two i feel. So finish your studies and if you pass Lympstone, then perhaps, if you are a good boy, i will gift you a lift in my big green heckinwopter.
thought it was obvious dear chap, the Regt w****** and the PEd types. Talk about job creation, it will now take an entire day to do. As im in JHC i dont wear webbing but prefer a chest rig as more convenient, but apparently i HAVE TO wear webbing for the new test. It is truly bollocks and am glad im off to chill in SA with my fiance!
Downhiller,
A tadge bit of a difference between the two i feel. So finish your studies and if you pass Lympstone, then perhaps, if you are a good boy, i will gift you a lift in my big green heckinwopter.