Redress or not redress...?
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euringineer.
I'm not sure your right there old bean.
The AOC does NOT have the final say at all. In my case I redressed the AO PMA by name. When you do that, the case is taken over by a civil servant of equal status/rank to investigate.
In my case, common sense soon prevailed and I got what I wanted ie my money returned!
Mud sticks for sure, but if there is no mud in the first place???
I have to say, I found the whole process extremely fair and civilised. My boss and my Stn Cdr were on side and everyone was quite delighted at the outcome (apart from the snivelling little ***** who tried to screw me!!
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TSM
I'm not sure your right there old bean.
The AOC does NOT have the final say at all. In my case I redressed the AO PMA by name. When you do that, the case is taken over by a civil servant of equal status/rank to investigate.
In my case, common sense soon prevailed and I got what I wanted ie my money returned!
Mud sticks for sure, but if there is no mud in the first place???
I have to say, I found the whole process extremely fair and civilised. My boss and my Stn Cdr were on side and everyone was quite delighted at the outcome (apart from the snivelling little ***** who tried to screw me!!
kind regards
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I was recruited from the colonies and took advantage of the option to set aside 10 days of my leave a year for travel home, see the oldies etc...... all in good faith. Eventually the system sent me off to GW1 and then kept me there. In the fullness of time Options for Change came around and I was compulsorily redunded - probably because no-one could locate me (or I wasn't given the piece of paper to return). Simply got a letter in the mail.
Having accumulated around 70 days of (notionally) overseas domiciliary leave yet having been stuck in a work scenario wherein I couldn't avail myself of said leave, I reached my last day of service still asking what was to happen to it.
Of course the final answer was "toughski ****ski", we don't know - so you just miss out. There's no precedent doncha know - and we don't pay in lieu of foregone leave. Why not? Because there's no precedent doncha know. Public servants musta overlooked this scenario.... but we agree that you might have a case.
Because they'd done nothing but fob me off continually until the death-knock. I was ultimately pissed enough to submit a redress (aka "complaint" because redress of grievance is too confronting for it to be accepted in that vernacular). The thusly titled document was returned for me to change it accordingly.
Eight months later, out of the service, after quite a few follow-ups and an eventual appeal to my Local MP I got a one paragraph reply from a one star saying that the matter had been considered and that the original decision was found to have been correct. The failure to address the nature or basic essence of the matter convinced me that they'd not been able to (or hadn't bothered to) locate the "complaint" - and that I'd received a proforma reply.
So, in monetary terms, many thousands of pounds worth of leave down the drain, lots of deception by an unsympathetic system and loads of disgruntlement. On top of all that when I came back here to the UK I got lumbered with a huge poll-tax bill (even though I'd spent all that time in a war-zone).
Getting actual Redress involves a cast-iron iron-clad case with plentiful precedent - or you're just wasting your time. There's no entitlement for Redress against a mishandled Redress.
Having accumulated around 70 days of (notionally) overseas domiciliary leave yet having been stuck in a work scenario wherein I couldn't avail myself of said leave, I reached my last day of service still asking what was to happen to it.
Of course the final answer was "toughski ****ski", we don't know - so you just miss out. There's no precedent doncha know - and we don't pay in lieu of foregone leave. Why not? Because there's no precedent doncha know. Public servants musta overlooked this scenario.... but we agree that you might have a case.
Because they'd done nothing but fob me off continually until the death-knock. I was ultimately pissed enough to submit a redress (aka "complaint" because redress of grievance is too confronting for it to be accepted in that vernacular). The thusly titled document was returned for me to change it accordingly.
Eight months later, out of the service, after quite a few follow-ups and an eventual appeal to my Local MP I got a one paragraph reply from a one star saying that the matter had been considered and that the original decision was found to have been correct. The failure to address the nature or basic essence of the matter convinced me that they'd not been able to (or hadn't bothered to) locate the "complaint" - and that I'd received a proforma reply.
So, in monetary terms, many thousands of pounds worth of leave down the drain, lots of deception by an unsympathetic system and loads of disgruntlement. On top of all that when I came back here to the UK I got lumbered with a huge poll-tax bill (even though I'd spent all that time in a war-zone).
Getting actual Redress involves a cast-iron iron-clad case with plentiful precedent - or you're just wasting your time. There's no entitlement for Redress against a mishandled Redress.
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With all that has been written and said i suppose the old adage of.. 'dont get mad get even'...is a much better course of action.Thanks for all the advice...
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Can anyone truly say they have redressed!!!
Well, err...yes, I did..and I didn't, because the pompous two-faced arse of a direct entry Wing Commander crapped himself at the thought of what I told him he would lose and the likely effects on his career, [not mentioning mine of course!]. The difference was, of course, that I knew I was pulling on a very long piece of string, and he didn't. He did know, however, that I had been around a lot longer than he!
I redressed him [or rather I threatened the procedure] over the most blatant act of sheer spite I had ever seen, inside the service or out, and largely directed at me. I very formally, and with a good witness advised him that I was to seek redress, and in the meantime had sought the advice of a very senior officer who I knew to be a straight talker. His advice was "if you're going to hit him with a rock, wrap it in a silk stocking first".
So I did, and he backed down, and the procedure, which I hadn't actually initiated, was dropped, but not before I told him in no uncertain terms that there was no place in the service for people like him.
He left not long after. So I didn't get mad, I got even!
Well, err...yes, I did..and I didn't, because the pompous two-faced arse of a direct entry Wing Commander crapped himself at the thought of what I told him he would lose and the likely effects on his career, [not mentioning mine of course!]. The difference was, of course, that I knew I was pulling on a very long piece of string, and he didn't. He did know, however, that I had been around a lot longer than he!
I redressed him [or rather I threatened the procedure] over the most blatant act of sheer spite I had ever seen, inside the service or out, and largely directed at me. I very formally, and with a good witness advised him that I was to seek redress, and in the meantime had sought the advice of a very senior officer who I knew to be a straight talker. His advice was "if you're going to hit him with a rock, wrap it in a silk stocking first".
So I did, and he backed down, and the procedure, which I hadn't actually initiated, was dropped, but not before I told him in no uncertain terms that there was no place in the service for people like him.
He left not long after. So I didn't get mad, I got even!
