Ejection Video
My thanks to Brian D for sending me a copy - I was surprised how much the aircraft pitched-down on the first ejection, although I suppose I shouldn't be when I take a look at the forces/moments involved.
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Ouch my legs!
Does anybody know who the crew were in this Hawk?
Am I correct in thinking it was a NFTC Instructor with a British student?
Well handled throughout...until the instructor reach Terra Firma if it's the one I think it is.
TF
Am I correct in thinking it was a NFTC Instructor with a British student?
Well handled throughout...until the instructor reach Terra Firma if it's the one I think it is.
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I think its a great lesson in how much time there can be and that there is no point in going loopy and trying to do things a million miles an hour.
The worse point about it I think though, as already discussed is his communication with the ground. OK he has PLB's etc and is clearly very close to the circuit, but just adding the word "MAyday" will get everyones attention, even if its just "Mayday callsign ejecting" I think everyone one the ground would have been less open to misunderstanding. As a pilot turned air traffiker I know how easy it is not to hear something you arent expecting to hear, which is why sticking to standard phraseology is so important. The instructor had clearly aviated and navigated his way through the emergency, he just didnt quite get the communicate in as well at the end- OK small point but one I think worth pearning from.
The worse point about it I think though, as already discussed is his communication with the ground. OK he has PLB's etc and is clearly very close to the circuit, but just adding the word "MAyday" will get everyones attention, even if its just "Mayday callsign ejecting" I think everyone one the ground would have been less open to misunderstanding. As a pilot turned air traffiker I know how easy it is not to hear something you arent expecting to hear, which is why sticking to standard phraseology is so important. The instructor had clearly aviated and navigated his way through the emergency, he just didnt quite get the communicate in as well at the end- OK small point but one I think worth pearning from.
Hawk crew.
Time flies.
The simple, and facetious, answer to your question would be....yes!
However, I'm feeling generous and prepared to elaborate. It was indeed a Canadian instructor and a Brit stude. Didn't know the Brit personally but the Canuck was that well known Star Wars space slug (if you've been to Moose Jaw you'll know who I mean!).
BV
The simple, and facetious, answer to your question would be....yes!
However, I'm feeling generous and prepared to elaborate. It was indeed a Canadian instructor and a Brit stude. Didn't know the Brit personally but the Canuck was that well known Star Wars space slug (if you've been to Moose Jaw you'll know who I mean!).
BV
Positive vector indeed
PBA target.
Just managed to watch the vid for the first time and a couple of points jump out.
Not sure if you've ever flown a hawk but at 125ish knots whilst gliding their ain't an awful lot of zoom potential, so his vector was as about as positive as it could get!
Secondly, Zoom J, I take your point about standard RT and so on but under the circumstances I think "we're ejecting to the north, we've had an engine failure" was a pretty good effort!
Finally, I have to say I think the crew did an excellent job. The Captain was remarkably calm. Nuff respect. If you listen to the voice of the stude you can hear the tension and fear in his breathing. A bloody scary experience that I hope I never have to go through.
Awesome.
BV
Just managed to watch the vid for the first time and a couple of points jump out.
Not sure if you've ever flown a hawk but at 125ish knots whilst gliding their ain't an awful lot of zoom potential, so his vector was as about as positive as it could get!
Secondly, Zoom J, I take your point about standard RT and so on but under the circumstances I think "we're ejecting to the north, we've had an engine failure" was a pretty good effort!
Finally, I have to say I think the crew did an excellent job. The Captain was remarkably calm. Nuff respect. If you listen to the voice of the stude you can hear the tension and fear in his breathing. A bloody scary experience that I hope I never have to go through.
Awesome.
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Yes I take your point and like I said I have nothing but admiration for them both, but imagine that the controller was involved in an "off air" (ie landline) conversation in one ear, he is expecting to hear that callsign report downwind, hears the aircraft say something about going to the north, and especially as the pilot sounded SO cool and relaxed it wouldnt neceassirly ring alarm bells to him, he may just have acknolwged it with a roger, not really registering it and carried on with his landline conversation- include the word Mayday, I guarantee you will get any controllers attention staright away.
Yes I know we should hear what is said not what we expect hear etc etc but we're all human....arent we??
Yes I know we should hear what is said not what we expect hear etc etc but we're all human....arent we??
. I would!
I'm pretty sure that the controller didn't actually hear the call of ..."engine failure ejecting to the north" because if I hear it correctly he says ......"roger copy your break out to the north?" (the ? comes with an implied slight rise in his tone). Breakout being a "north american" phrase to request permission to leave the circuit for those that are not familiar.
Humans hear what they expect to hear, "mayday" will grab the attention.
10 more knots when the bird hit and they would probably have been able to get it back onto the runway.
No, I don't want to open the famous "we've lost more aircraft during practice emergencies than have actually been saved by being proficient at it" debate, thank you very musc. Just an observation.
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Humans hear what they expect to hear, "mayday" will grab the attention.
10 more knots when the bird hit and they would probably have been able to get it back onto the runway.
No, I don't want to open the famous "we've lost more aircraft during practice emergencies than have actually been saved by being proficient at it" debate, thank you very musc. Just an observation.
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Breakout being a "north american" phrase to request permission to leave the circuit for those that are not familiar.
Not quite true as it is for information only as we do not have to request to break out of the circuit.
One interesting point out of the accident was that the Hawk does not have an auto seat pack release. This contributed to the injuries of the QFI on landing as he was unable to deploy it before he impacted the ground.
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