C-130j - Sf
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Not when I bring my own McDonalds breakfast to work 
and if you knew me, you'd know that I'm not joking.
Microwaves are the greatest.
Maybe they can design the captains seat so it slides all the way back to the galley so I don't have to get up though
and if you knew me, you'd know that I'm not joking.
Microwaves are the greatest.
Maybe they can design the captains seat so it slides all the way back to the galley so I don't have to get up though
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No Heavy Drop clearance, no Sim Sticks, trim issues, vibe issues, no cupola, plus a whole host of other issues that are not for discussion in a public forum......
....I'd love to see how a 3-man crew ALARP would work as well.....
I love these stupid games..... lol
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Who need sim sticks when sequential sticks work just as well.
Providing one has a suitably large enough DZ, that is. However, 'Ssssh' don't do cattle class parachuting, do they?
The J's heavy drop capability is ever increasing. If only we could buy some flat smooth chassied humvees, her capability would be rather good!! Except Barnacle Bills stuff.
Ho hum, more fuel to the fire!!
PS. 30k airdrop - sound cool!
Now, pass-a-frozo, about that cappucino thingamebob. Have you ever heard of GEMS.............?
Providing one has a suitably large enough DZ, that is. However, 'Ssssh' don't do cattle class parachuting, do they?
The J's heavy drop capability is ever increasing. If only we could buy some flat smooth chassied humvees, her capability would be rather good!! Except Barnacle Bills stuff.
Ho hum, more fuel to the fire!!
PS. 30k airdrop - sound cool!
Now, pass-a-frozo, about that cappucino thingamebob. Have you ever heard of GEMS.............?
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I think the Approved Maint Org would go ape sh*t if I got someone in to rip crap out of the galley
AL ASAD, Iraq (April 16, 2005) — A KC-130J cargo plane delivered needed supplies to Forward Operating Base Korean Village, a remote outpost in the Iraqi desert. However, the aircraft did not land to offload its cargo. Instead, it successfully conducted an aerial supply delivery to the Marines on the ground.“Aerial delivery is one mission we do that requires the entire crew to come together as a tight team to accomplish the mission”, said Capt. James Palmer. “The J now allows us to be even better. The com-puter technology and state of the art avionics and navigation allow both consistent and accurate delivery of cargo on the drop zone
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All this banter is great but we fail to see the point.
SF would work better if we SHARED the role between the J and the K. That way we get more frames to work with and then the K can do any stuff the Js not cleared for yet.... sound like a plan?
SF would work better if we SHARED the role between the J and the K. That way we get more frames to work with and then the K can do any stuff the Js not cleared for yet.... sound like a plan?
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I think that to limit roles to any single fleet is crazy. You end up with a couple of airframes that have been absolutely flogged. They get wingcracks, get discovered then all of a sudden people realise "Oh crap, we can't fulfill that capability until we fix it!
That was a USAF J. Although I seem to remember that being CDS.
That was a USAF J. Although I seem to remember that being CDS.
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J / K again? I don't normally get involved in this slanging match but want to throw this in as an idea.
The K SF guys are very experienced in the role. The J (good as it is) is just another aircraft - let's take the K SF guys and simply train them on the J. Let them take their skills and adapt their techniques to the J rather than the J guys having to take on a new role.
Having lit the blue touchpaper, retires quickly and waits for better reasoning from the J wannabees.
The K SF guys are very experienced in the role. The J (good as it is) is just another aircraft - let's take the K SF guys and simply train them on the J. Let them take their skills and adapt their techniques to the J rather than the J guys having to take on a new role.
Having lit the blue touchpaper, retires quickly and waits for better reasoning from the J wannabees.
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I think you might find that 50% of the SF K flight deck crew might not be best pleased with that very sensible suggestion oldfella as there is no seat for them
However the other 50% and the ALM would be chuffed to bits with all the new bells and whistles, no one rabbiting on about caravans or 2 port and the fresh smelling environment the delightful J flightdeck has to offer
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
However the other 50% and the ALM would be chuffed to bits with all the new bells and whistles, no one rabbiting on about caravans or 2 port and the fresh smelling environment the delightful J flightdeck has to offer
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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The K SF guys are very experienced in the role. The J (good as it is) is just another aircraft - let's take the K SF guys and simply train them on the J. Let them take their skills and adapt their techniques to the J rather than the J guys having to take on a new role.
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The K SF guys are very experienced in the role. The J (good as it is) is just another aircraft - let's take the K SF guys and simply train them on the J. Let them take their skills and adapt their techniques to the J rather than the J guys having to take on a new role.
Question: How do the K guys get to SF then if this is the case?
Flawed reasoning, methinks
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There is nothing wrong with the K SF frames or crews in terms of capability, they are hugely capable and do a fantastic job. The problem is the ac are getting old and tired, and won't last forever.
There is also tha fact that the crews down the corridor are working their collective nuts off, and they want to offload some of the less esoteric stuff to the J, which, whilst less capable in the role due to equipment procurement can easily provide the service.
I think you'll find also that there is a fair amount of sshhh experience on the J too, although at present it isn't planned to use it in the sshhh role.
In terms of a fully swept up SF J, don't hold your breath. The necessary upgrades will only be funded when their SSSHHHH-ships decide that the K cannot perform the role anymore, which ain't gonna happen in the short or even medium term, and while Lockheed still hold the DA for the J, any Mods will be way too expensive in Gordon Brown's red suitcase of power.
On a positive note for the J though, a heavy drop capability is on the way. A full CDS load of 16.7 tons was successfully dropped recently and as soon as QinetiQ and the IPT pull their fingers out of their collective ar$es it'll be online.
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I disagree about the skill, ability and experience level of the SF K guys, they are way out there in front, and I speak as a v. experienced J man with 10 years previous on the K (including ssshhh). The roles are so very different that there really is no comparison. Main Sqn guys yes, broadly I agree, but not the flight.
There is also tha fact that the crews down the corridor are working their collective nuts off, and they want to offload some of the less esoteric stuff to the J, which, whilst less capable in the role due to equipment procurement can easily provide the service.
I think you'll find also that there is a fair amount of sshhh experience on the J too, although at present it isn't planned to use it in the sshhh role.
In terms of a fully swept up SF J, don't hold your breath. The necessary upgrades will only be funded when their SSSHHHH-ships decide that the K cannot perform the role anymore, which ain't gonna happen in the short or even medium term, and while Lockheed still hold the DA for the J, any Mods will be way too expensive in Gordon Brown's red suitcase of power.
On a positive note for the J though, a heavy drop capability is on the way. A full CDS load of 16.7 tons was successfully dropped recently and as soon as QinetiQ and the IPT pull their fingers out of their collective ar$es it'll be online.
On_The_Top_Bunk
I disagree about the skill, ability and experience level of the SF K guys, they are way out there in front, and I speak as a v. experienced J man with 10 years previous on the K (including ssshhh). The roles are so very different that there really is no comparison. Main Sqn guys yes, broadly I agree, but not the flight.
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I disagree about the skill, ability and experience level of the SF K guys, they are way out there in front, and I speak as a v. experienced J man with 10 years previous on the K (including ssshhh). The roles are so very different that there really is no comparison. Main Sqn guys yes, broadly I agree, but not the flight.
The hierarchy need to look where they are spending the dosh. We don't need droves of Typhoons, same as the F3, it won't get used in anger......very nice at airshows though.
Spend some money on the truckies and choppers. Thats how you project your influence worldwide nowadays. You have to be able to support your troops on the ground.
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