Fighter Controllers - Know Your Place!
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Fighter Controllers - Know Your Place!
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the insidious efforts of the brevet-borrowing community to take over the world? At a secret ISTAR hub somewhere north of London, there seem to be more of the bu@@ers in support jobs than fly on the aircraft they initially weaselled their way onto. Don't they enjoy life in their proper jobs?
When working in a big bunker in the desert I was surprised at the number of fresh faced Sqn Ldr 'brevet borrowers' until I realised that they'd all been given acting rank to 'give them more credibility in a high rank environment'
Personally I found the CCO would always listen if you spoke loudly and confidently in a very 'British' accent
Personally I found the CCO would always listen if you spoke loudly and confidently in a very 'British' accent
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ORAC - sorry couldn't resist.
Wadda Madder? Did ickle diddums get shouted at for being wubbish even dough he was wearing a pwopper bwevet. Didn't dey wealize oo is pwopper aircwew. Der der pop oo dummy back in and wipe oo tears up.
Or did somebody else just get the job you wanted because they were better qualified for it than you?
BTW - if they weaselled their way onto the jet - how come some of those with pwopper bwevets have such a hard time doing the WC job?
.....and I'm not even a 'borrower'
Wadda Madder? Did ickle diddums get shouted at for being wubbish even dough he was wearing a pwopper bwevet. Didn't dey wealize oo is pwopper aircwew. Der der pop oo dummy back in and wipe oo tears up.
Or did somebody else just get the job you wanted because they were better qualified for it than you?
BTW - if they weaselled their way onto the jet - how come some of those with pwopper bwevets have such a hard time doing the WC job?
.....and I'm not even a 'borrower'
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And why, pray tell, would a FC of either persuasion actually WANT to be an air traffic controller?
As for making tea, I thought that's what the WSOps were for - especially those that transferred from the Kipper Fleet
As for making tea, I thought that's what the WSOps were for - especially those that transferred from the Kipper Fleet
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At a secret ISTAR hub somewhere north of London, there seem to be more of the bu@@ers in support jobs than fly on the aircraft they initially weaselled their way onto.
2 bites so far - or one repeated bite!
One further thought - isn\'t the job of FCs to tell aircrew what to do?
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"As for making tea, I thought that's what the WSOps were for - especially those that transferred from the Kipper Fleet"
Ok...I'll bite on this one..You can tell a lot about a person who gets off his arse in a spare couple of minutes to get thrown around in the galley putting a brew on..
Many a nav can find a couple of square feet in the middle of the Atlantic (some non-maritime types would ask why he would want to!) but he can not locate a water boiler thirty odd feet behind him and take 2 minutes out of up to 8 hours to show a bit of CRM.
I don't know about you but I feel a lot better now...
"As for making tea, I thought that's what the WSOps were for - especially those that transferred from the Kipper Fleet"
Ok...I'll bite on this one..You can tell a lot about a person who gets off his arse in a spare couple of minutes to get thrown around in the galley putting a brew on..
Many a nav can find a couple of square feet in the middle of the Atlantic (some non-maritime types would ask why he would want to!) but he can not locate a water boiler thirty odd feet behind him and take 2 minutes out of up to 8 hours to show a bit of CRM.
I don't know about you but I feel a lot better now...
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Spotter,
I'm afraid youv'e blown it now old boy. Up until your remark about WSOps, I was pretty much with you, but that comment just about sums up what your trade is all about.
Yes there are some good FCs, I've flown with quite a few of them, but there are a hell of a lot that are utter ar$eholes frankly, who should never have been let near an aircraft, let alone fly in one.
They struggle to leave their rank in the crew-room, and insist on bringing it on board.......'Bloggs, you can address me as Ma'am' ....
Yeah right, and you can kiss my ar$e Lady!
or
'Bloggs, could you get me a cup of tea, I'm controlling this one and only f-16 thats airborne in the Northern hemisphere!' yeah sure, the galley is 30' behind you Sir, I'm sure you'll find it...its on the way to the Bog!!!'
CRM for an FC stands for 'can't remember much' ...maybe thats why so many fail the course eh??
Kind regards to ALL real aircrew (and I include the techies in that)
TSM
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I'm afraid youv'e blown it now old boy. Up until your remark about WSOps, I was pretty much with you, but that comment just about sums up what your trade is all about.
Yes there are some good FCs, I've flown with quite a few of them, but there are a hell of a lot that are utter ar$eholes frankly, who should never have been let near an aircraft, let alone fly in one.
They struggle to leave their rank in the crew-room, and insist on bringing it on board.......'Bloggs, you can address me as Ma'am' ....
Yeah right, and you can kiss my ar$e Lady!
or
'Bloggs, could you get me a cup of tea, I'm controlling this one and only f-16 thats airborne in the Northern hemisphere!' yeah sure, the galley is 30' behind you Sir, I'm sure you'll find it...its on the way to the Bog!!!'
CRM for an FC stands for 'can't remember much' ...maybe thats why so many fail the course eh??
Kind regards to ALL real aircrew (and I include the techies in that)
TSM
'Caruthers, get the tin hat ready, I feel some flak incoming'
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RAAF GCI's/FC's are bad enough on the ground with their deluded sense of purpose....with Wedgetail coming on line the delusions of grandeur will no doubt reach new heights. 
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Can any Brevet-Borrowers out there explain why they are so keen to do somebody else's (ie aircrew's) job, and not their own?
Why are there so many in the AWC?
Why are there so many on the OES?
Why will there be over 60 of 'em on the ISTAR Training Wing, when everbody else gets 5 reps?
How do they get to do their own survival training, when everybody else has to head to the Southwest?
Why don't they want to go back to Boulmer? Don't they LIKE Geordie birds?
I'm telling you, it's a plot.........
Why are there so many in the AWC?
Why are there so many on the OES?
Why will there be over 60 of 'em on the ISTAR Training Wing, when everbody else gets 5 reps?
How do they get to do their own survival training, when everybody else has to head to the Southwest?
Why don't they want to go back to Boulmer? Don't they LIKE Geordie birds?
I'm telling you, it's a plot.........