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Unbeliveable security at Sandhurst
Thankfully it was exposed before any harm was done. How on earth did this guy not only get his car in but construct a bomb and film the students.....and for 7 hours without anyone questioning him? Absolutely bizarre.
Thankfully it was exposed before any harm was done. How on earth did this guy not only get his car in but construct a bomb and film the students.....and for 7 hours without anyone questioning him? Absolutely bizarre.
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You would have hoped that RMAS would double the guard given the presence of OCdt Windsor.
Nothing surprises me, though. Back in the 80s my org. was often tasked to "test" security, normally when locations were being guarded as Key Points. We never failed.
Dressing up one of our number in a WWII generals's uniform and driving him up to the main gate with a 2* plate on a civvy black Granada we borrowed from a car lot was one very easy win, I remember. We also had an ex-BT van that never failed - both as an entry vehicle, and to mount an OP.
Nothing surprises me, though. Back in the 80s my org. was often tasked to "test" security, normally when locations were being guarded as Key Points. We never failed.
Dressing up one of our number in a WWII generals's uniform and driving him up to the main gate with a 2* plate on a civvy black Granada we borrowed from a car lot was one very easy win, I remember. We also had an ex-BT van that never failed - both as an entry vehicle, and to mount an OP.
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There are many units that one can simply walk onto, particularly the older RAF units and training establishments and at which gate guards are used for the purpose of stopping vehicles only.
I had the misfortune of taking an OO duty soon after Sep 11 2001 at a certain high profile unit with split sites and open to all. First thing I did (after the flag) was to see the SWO and tell him the camp was insecure. He replied, as expected, that the problem was well-known and due to a lack of funding. The next thing I did was to write this action up in the guard cdr log and the OO report to cover my six! Sad but true.
I had the misfortune of taking an OO duty soon after Sep 11 2001 at a certain high profile unit with split sites and open to all. First thing I did (after the flag) was to see the SWO and tell him the camp was insecure. He replied, as expected, that the problem was well-known and due to a lack of funding. The next thing I did was to write this action up in the guard cdr log and the OO report to cover my six! Sad but true.
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I'm guessing that this major breach of security was another symptom of the massive overstretch that the army are suffering - unless, of course, you believe thats entirely imaginary!
Eyes closed, fingers in ears.
I'm guessing that this major breach of security was another symptom of the massive overstretch that the army are suffering - unless, of course, you believe thats entirely imaginary!
Eyes closed, fingers in ears.
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well, that might be the case if the Army were responsible for issuing Car passes to the press bt I should imagine that in this case it is the MGS that have buggered it up... but thats what hapens when you put civvies in Uniforms and give them guns.
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Other stations are worse - public footpaths, a little stone wall and some areas have security no where near!
Edit - security is not a dirty word.
Edit - security is not a dirty word.
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It's amazing how different the relative level of security is at different units. I've been based at a station where it is possible to get to the Officers' Mess without passing a single guard post, a legacy of '38 Pattern Messes which were built "outside the wire". I've walked on to a key station before without having my 1250 checked. How easy is it to get hold of an RAF uniform and rank braid from the internet? It's truly absurd.
Maybe we shouldn't identify insecure stations by name here... BEADWINDOW springs to mind....
Maybe we shouldn't identify insecure stations by name here... BEADWINDOW springs to mind....
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At the end of the day, until these studes pass the course they might as well be at the Duke of Yorks in Dover... The big stink here is how these so called journos can strap on a 'make believe' bomb and coin it in with the subsequent expose. Try it at any airport, on any plane and your going to get dead pretty quick! even five year' olds playing Cowboys and Indians in the street are subject to a massive police armed response initiative nowadays. How on earth do they get away with it? There should be a mandatory 10 year' jail sentence for these clowns plus five to ten for the editor. I wouldn'y mind betting that the 'journo' in question looked like a standard 'Tim, dim but nice' Eton type complete with 'Ben Fogle' accent - I wonder how far he would have got wearing a turban?
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That's a bit unfair, Letsby Avenue, the journalist was doing us all a favour and exposing a weakness that should have been discovered without his help.
Yes, it was done for other motives, but the end result will be better security at Sandhurst and that cannot be a bad result.
Yes, it was done for other motives, but the end result will be better security at Sandhurst and that cannot be a bad result.
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the journalist was doing us all a favour
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the journalist was doing us all a favour
...a base in a mountainous region with lots of caves for instance
two favours in fact
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The MOD will struggle to maintain security, while carrying out its daily business with the civilian community, until all civilians hold acceptable (biometric) ID and the military has the capability to use it at all key establishments.
We will remain vulnerable until then.
We will remain vulnerable until then.
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The only favour the journo was doing was increasing the circulation of the fish wrapper for his editor. If he or the paper wished to do us a service, why not infiltrate the unit, tell the MoD on the qt and state 'if it aint sorted, we will do it again and run the story'.
If he had a mag of 5.56mm emptied into him, would the paper have told the same story then? Somehow I doubt it.
"Shock, Horror, squaddies shoot innocent journo".......
If he had a mag of 5.56mm emptied into him, would the paper have told the same story then? Somehow I doubt it.
"Shock, Horror, squaddies shoot innocent journo".......
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DP Harvey - I look forward to paying for one of those gucci little biometric ID cards - I think the latest estimate is £320.. So, that will be one for me, one for my wife, worry about the kids later.. and pay again every time I move house
Oh and by the way - Irish citizens won't have one, European types won't have one, immigrants won't have one, asylum seekers won't have one and apparently the biometrics don't work if your black.
Oh and by the way - Irish citizens won't have one, European types won't have one, immigrants won't have one, asylum seekers won't have one and apparently the biometrics don't work if your black.
Now, I suppose it is just possible that all the security people actually knew this was a Sun reporter all along, aqnd that he/she had a fake bomb and everything, and they had the situation completely under control. Well, it is, isn't it? Yes? Well, a teensy weensy bit possible?
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If security at Sandhurst and other military bases was subject to regular QC checks there would be no opening for journalists to make a story out of the subject.
Those who blame the journalist evade the real issue which is that our bases are insecure.
If we cannot secure our home military bases against the current terrorist threat or even against penetration from a journalist, why are we trying to secure Iraq against the insurgent threat?
Those who blame the journalist evade the real issue which is that our bases are insecure.
If we cannot secure our home military bases against the current terrorist threat or even against penetration from a journalist, why are we trying to secure Iraq against the insurgent threat?