Nimrod to get bomber role
Above all, would this modification involve removing the pie oven?
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I thought the Nimrod was trialled with 'dumb' bombs in 1982 with a view to giving it the capability to attack any naval shipping (principally the Argentine carrier) it might come across while carrying out its normal maritime role - rather than as a fall back option if the Vulcans had problems as you seem to imply. This was before the Nimrod had any SSM capability.
A bit of a suicidal option for Nimrod crews I would have thought, but there were lots of wacky ideas floating around then!!
I thought the Nimrod was trialled with 'dumb' bombs in 1982 with a view to giving it the capability to attack any naval shipping (principally the Argentine carrier) it might come across while carrying out its normal maritime role - rather than as a fall back option if the Vulcans had problems as you seem to imply. This was before the Nimrod had any SSM capability.
A bit of a suicidal option for Nimrod crews I would have thought, but there were lots of wacky ideas floating around then!!
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Why stick a few bombs on a Nimbomber? Stick lots more on a K or a J.
The Argosy was kitted to carry 8 x 1 000 lb.
The Argosy was kitted to carry 8 x 1 000 lb.
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DinD,
I believe an military variant Concorde (they may have had to think of a different name, Discord perhaps) was proposed, which would have carried three Blue Steel underslung. IIRC, the Concorde airframe incorporated suitable hard points. I have an artist's impression from the time, which I'll stick up if I can find it. As you say, a number of such airframes became available recently. These had benefited from being well looked after and recently upgraded.
I wonder if the problems that prevented civils ops (ie CoA and BAe cooperation) would have been surmountable in military service? It's an interesting thought.
Err... Just a thought. What about the 6 Anglo-French, very fast Olympus-engined jets decommissioned very recently.
I wonder if the problems that prevented civils ops (ie CoA and BAe cooperation) would have been surmountable in military service? It's an interesting thought.
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You may well be correct about the Mk2 using dumb bombs, me not being a "plumber" wouldn.t have known the difference,.
I allways thought Nimrod had a perfectly adequate anti ship weapon in the form of Harpoon at the time, and was trialled to bail out other platforms if it was required.
The only weapon fitted that I can recall that was for its own defence was AIM-9, which we fitted quite a while after Corporate.
BT
You may well be correct about the Mk2 using dumb bombs, me not being a "plumber" wouldn.t have known the difference,.
I allways thought Nimrod had a perfectly adequate anti ship weapon in the form of Harpoon at the time, and was trialled to bail out other platforms if it was required.
The only weapon fitted that I can recall that was for its own defence was AIM-9, which we fitted quite a while after Corporate.
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15,000 pound HE bombs do not require pinpoint precision....Knock...Knock!
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400 miles in 24 hours for those little grey boats - unless there's an inconvenient piece of land in the way, of course!
700 miles a day with a few helicopters and a handful of single-engined SHARs? Or was that in proper carriers with credible Air Wings?
Whereas the Vulcan would cruise at around 480 knots TAS at 40000+; in other words 700 nautical miles in less than an hour and a half........
Discuss.
And yes, you can't really hold cockers Ps on a Vulcan, I suppose.
Whereas the Vulcan would cruise at around 480 knots TAS at 40000+; in other words 700 nautical miles in less than an hour and a half........
Discuss.
And yes, you can't really hold cockers Ps on a Vulcan, I suppose.
700nm+ in 24 hrs, an average of 29kts+ then.
Fine, what was the sea state at the time, try averaging 30kts when the sea state is up, what operations (i.e use of aircraft!) could you conduct while transitting at 30kts, and what is the speed of your escort ships (yes I know they should be able to do 30kts!!) and more importantly the ships in your supply chain. The average RFA would usually make about 20kts on a good day I would guess! The US might, but we don't build 30kt resupply vessels!!
Fine, what was the sea state at the time, try averaging 30kts when the sea state is up, what operations (i.e use of aircraft!) could you conduct while transitting at 30kts, and what is the speed of your escort ships (yes I know they should be able to do 30kts!!) and more importantly the ships in your supply chain. The average RFA would usually make about 20kts on a good day I would guess! The US might, but we don't build 30kt resupply vessels!!
The US Navy and the US Air Force had this battle in the past.....you will notice that we have both now. It was a very rude fuss when it was going on.
The beauty of a carrier is it can show up off the coast of a trouble spot much easier than can the Air Force move into the area.
Naval Air was used in Afghanistan operating from carriers at sea. They used Air Force refuellers to do the job as I recall.
The beauty of a carrier is it can show up off the coast of a trouble spot much easier than can the Air Force move into the area.
Naval Air was used in Afghanistan operating from carriers at sea. They used Air Force refuellers to do the job as I recall.
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Dear all,
What about all the B1s the Yanks have sitting at Davis-Monthan?
How about buying a couple of dozen of them?
I am sure they would be welcomed and Ice Station Kilo and perhaps reactivate somewhere on the west coast like Macrahanish or St Mawgan.
Cheers
BHR
What about all the B1s the Yanks have sitting at Davis-Monthan?
How about buying a couple of dozen of them?
I am sure they would be welcomed and Ice Station Kilo and perhaps reactivate somewhere on the west coast like Macrahanish or St Mawgan.
Cheers
BHR
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Naval Air was used in Afghanistan operating from carriers at sea. They used Air Force refuellers to do the job as I recall.
Think i've seen a few pics of F/A-18s refuelling from our hoses over there.