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Eric Joyce MP was born on the 13th October 1960. He lived in Perth with his family for most of his infant and teenage years before joining the army in 1978. Initially a private in the Black Watch, Eric went on to attend the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst and was commissioned into the Adjutant General's Corps in 1987. During his time in the army, Eric served in the UK, Northern Ireland, Germany and Central America.
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Eric Joyce MP was born on the 13th October 1960. He lived in Perth with his family for most of his infant and teenage years before joining the army in 1978. Initially a private in the Black Watch, Eric went on to attend the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst and was commissioned into the Adjutant General's Corps in 1987. During his time in the army, Eric served in the UK, Northern Ireland, Germany and Central America.
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If Joyce were appointed, I suspect that members of the 'Army Means' would stage a coup d'etat if the comments about him on that forum are anything to go by. Makes Hoon look popular....
Hoon is rumoured to want to stand down as Defence Secretary and he was noticeably absent from national campaigning in the last few weeks.
passpartout,
What would the advantage be of a Secretary of State for Defence having any prior military service? He is after all a politician and has a whole host of military advisors around from CDS through the Chiefs of Staff. Surely a Def Sec with prior military service would run the risk of thinking he knew it all and ignoring his military advisors?
Lets face it, the last ex military guy to try to run the Tory party was an out and out disaster!
passpartout,
What would the advantage be of a Secretary of State for Defence having any prior military service? He is after all a politician and has a whole host of military advisors around from CDS through the Chiefs of Staff. Surely a Def Sec with prior military service would run the risk of thinking he knew it all and ignoring his military advisors?
Lets face it, the last ex military guy to try to run the Tory party was an out and out disaster!
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Joyce is detested for his Blairite toadying and for his backstabbing. He left under a cloud after publishing a critical article on the Armed Forces and is frequently to be seen defending BuffHoon's stupid and short-sighted cutbacks.
I am sure (in the unlikely event he was appointed) he would have a very difficult tenure, with all sorts of mischief-making going on!
I am sure (in the unlikely event he was appointed) he would have a very difficult tenure, with all sorts of mischief-making going on!
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Proone,
What would be the harm in it?
Just because the last one was no good, doesn't mean to say that retired members of the Armed Forces would not qualified to be SofS for Defence in the future.
Taking your argument further, does this mean that the Lord Chancellor shouldn't be a lawyer?
Crikey, we've had a lawyer recently, it can't get any worse than that, can it?
What would be the harm in it?
Just because the last one was no good, doesn't mean to say that retired members of the Armed Forces would not qualified to be SofS for Defence in the future.
Taking your argument further, does this mean that the Lord Chancellor shouldn't be a lawyer?
Crikey, we've had a lawyer recently, it can't get any worse than that, can it?
Pr00ne, yes - there's considerable speculation that Hoon wants to return to the backbenches, since he's realised that his chances of becoming Foreign Secretary are rather low, and the other job he'd like - Constitutional Affairs - isn't available.
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I thought Patricia Hewitt was more or less in the frame....
Who would be an acceptable choice from the shop-floor perspective?
Anything is an improvement on the detested BuffHoon, but I recall that George Robertson had a reasonable reputation as SoS. There must be some heavy-hitters out there that would take an interest in the MoD rather than just pretending everything is OK and the toybox isn't empty...
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No doubt it will be some useless tw*t who knows cock all about defence and has to rely on some poxy little (ex CND) Under Secretary to 'advise' him/her on what they are supposed to do. If he/she is as useless as the last idiot, then he/she will probably go on holiday just as the fireworks are about to fly!
Hopefully this time around(and I doubt it) the military Chiefs will start standing up for our Forces and not let the Red Flag fly too high over our once great nation.
Rant time and Cold war over I know..........time for zzzzz
Hopefully this time around(and I doubt it) the military Chiefs will start standing up for our Forces and not let the Red Flag fly too high over our once great nation.
Rant time and Cold war over I know..........time for zzzzz
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Reid strikes me as a hard-nosed b'stard, which would be an improvement on the human jellyfish we have now. That and a CDS with the balls to tell the truth (like Boyce) and not be castigated for it.
As a resident of Buff's constituency, may I formally apologise for the actions of my neighbours in voting the muppet back in. As much as everyone locally detests him, they'd vote in a chimp if it wore a red rosette.
As a resident of Buff's constituency, may I formally apologise for the actions of my neighbours in voting the muppet back in. As much as everyone locally detests him, they'd vote in a chimp if it wore a red rosette.