Demise of F1250
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According to SROs this also means the demise of the dependent's ID Card - so my wife will now have to go to the guardroom and ask for a pass TO GET TO HER OWN BL**DY HOUSE once her current pass gets too tatty/washed/broken.
Top planning by the admin ar5eh01es.
again.
Top planning by the admin ar5eh01es.
again.
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SpotterFC
Nice bit of blame spreading there. Nicely avoiding that ID cards are the domain of the wonderful RAF Police whose officers are in the Ops Sp Branch (adminers just get the job of processing the paperwork) - given your name, this will be the same Branch as yours!
Top planning by the admin ar5eh01es.
Last edited by Climebear; 2nd May 2005 at 18:57.
I recently had the misfortune to have to attend a meeting in Main Building. As all meetings usually start around around 1030, to allow people to get there from Wherevershire, I found myself joining a queue of 6 people at about 0945 to get into the damned place. After waiting around 15 minutes to access one of 2 windows, I showed my F1250 and had myself photographed for another pass. This then had to be made up and put into a clear plastic envelope with a nice necklace in it (a bit like the one I already had!). I then had to wait for my Sponsor to come down for me even though I knew where I was going.
Fifteen minutes later, my Sponsor showed up by which time more people had joined a quickly growing queue which snaked around the entrance hall. I counted 35 souls! I calculated that it would take nearly 90 minutes for the 35th person to reach the window.
Why doesn't your F1250 suffice and why isn't there a better way of processing visitors to the head shed?
Fifteen minutes later, my Sponsor showed up by which time more people had joined a quickly growing queue which snaked around the entrance hall. I counted 35 souls! I calculated that it would take nearly 90 minutes for the 35th person to reach the window.
Why doesn't your F1250 suffice and why isn't there a better way of processing visitors to the head shed?
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I received a new F1250 the other day (I'm off to 18-30 Basrah soon and the old one was looking a bit tatty). According to the expiry date it was issued on the 13 April which by my calculations means they are still issuing F1250's even though they were supposed to be defunct after 1st April.
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I don't know the reasons for the withdrawal of the dependant's ID card, but low uptake by dependants may well be one of them.
May I suggest that the minor inconvenience to Mrs SpotterFC of getting a new stn pass every few years, is more than offset by the benefits of "her own bl**dy house" being situated in a virtually crime-free gated community.
I don't know the reasons for the withdrawal of the dependant's ID card, but low uptake by dependants may well be one of them.
May I suggest that the minor inconvenience to Mrs SpotterFC of getting a new stn pass every few years, is more than offset by the benefits of "her own bl**dy house" being situated in a virtually crime-free gated community.
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You were lucky !
Had you gone to the other window, you would have done a blood, urine and DNA test, plus a check on your security clearance, ethnicity, and extras like, currency on CCS, IDT, EO, Diversity management, H&S, dress code, suitability to attend the meeting and which way your going to vote on Thursday!!
Slipped through the net: Well Done !!
You were lucky !
Had you gone to the other window, you would have done a blood, urine and DNA test, plus a check on your security clearance, ethnicity, and extras like, currency on CCS, IDT, EO, Diversity management, H&S, dress code, suitability to attend the meeting and which way your going to vote on Thursday!!
Slipped through the net: Well Done !!
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ID cards are for wimps - just blag yr way in
Must have been about '85 - biggish ex. in UK to test, amongst other things, guarding of key points.
Biggin Hill was one such key point.
I was then a member of the TA version of the balaclava-wearing moustached organisation, and we had been given BH as a location to test. Rules did not allow any offensive action.
One of our number was 35, but looked much older. A general's uniform (from WW2, complete with WW1 medal ribbons) was procurred, and a car-dealer member produced a shiny black Granada from his lot, and it was adorned with a 2* plate borrowed from a contact.
General is driven up to gate at BH, and out hops his "ADC" (ex RGJ Captain, uniform still fitted) who explains that the General was just passing and wanted to look in on how things are going. Much bowing and scraping, General and ADC ask to go for a leak - ADC opens briefcase and leaves pseudo PE4 in wastebin.
More bowing and scraping and off they go.
OC guardforce most upset to be told by umpire his unit was now toast.
Another time I'll tell you about the time we did a W London RAF base beginning with N ...
Biggin Hill was one such key point.
I was then a member of the TA version of the balaclava-wearing moustached organisation, and we had been given BH as a location to test. Rules did not allow any offensive action.
One of our number was 35, but looked much older. A general's uniform (from WW2, complete with WW1 medal ribbons) was procurred, and a car-dealer member produced a shiny black Granada from his lot, and it was adorned with a 2* plate borrowed from a contact.
General is driven up to gate at BH, and out hops his "ADC" (ex RGJ Captain, uniform still fitted) who explains that the General was just passing and wanted to look in on how things are going. Much bowing and scraping, General and ADC ask to go for a leak - ADC opens briefcase and leaves pseudo PE4 in wastebin.
More bowing and scraping and off they go.
OC guardforce most upset to be told by umpire his unit was now toast.
Another time I'll tell you about the time we did a W London RAF base beginning with N ...
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So what is going to happen to the dependants ID card?
Will it revert back to the confusing and loose system of issuing local and easily forged pass? It seems ironic that the years spent trying to get a standardised dependants ID card which was transferrable between units is now a wasted efficiency.
Or, will dependants now get a tri service ID card????????????????????????????
Will it revert back to the confusing and loose system of issuing local and easily forged pass? It seems ironic that the years spent trying to get a standardised dependants ID card which was transferrable between units is now a wasted efficiency.
Or, will dependants now get a tri service ID card????????????????????????????
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Climebear
Cops in Admin(Sy). QED
ar5eh01es maybe strong - naiive idiots better (thinking they would save money seamlessly).
ExLeckie
If a triservice card is inbound then fair enough, but SROs said that new system (which is bi/tri-service) cannot cope with such passes (presumably because spouses have no service number - database unique key.)
Scud-u-like
Very grateful for crime-free environment. However chances of new passes lasting a year - NIL. Don't think the temp pass sytem will do that. Annual renewal would be fine, but quarterly? Bit excessive. I take it you live off-base/are single?
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ar5eh01es maybe strong - naiive idiots better (thinking they would save money seamlessly).
ExLeckie
If a triservice card is inbound then fair enough, but SROs said that new system (which is bi/tri-service) cannot cope with such passes (presumably because spouses have no service number - database unique key.)
Scud-u-like
Very grateful for crime-free environment. However chances of new passes lasting a year - NIL. Don't think the temp pass sytem will do that. Annual renewal would be fine, but quarterly? Bit excessive. I take it you live off-base/are single?
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Wife in US pass and permit office in Izmir. Spam "How did you get here?"
Flew in Lufthanza yesterday.
Spam "HDYGH?"
NATO Bus from the airport.
HDYGH?
Puzzled - walked round the corner from the Hilton.
HDYGH?
Getting more confused - came through the door, walked up the stairs, turned left, went through the door and here I am.
HDYGH?
Eventually rephrased - "how did you get passed the guard on the door?"
Penny dropped, Oh, I just smiled at him, it was the same guard as was on last night when we came in to the restaurant.
Doh!
Flew in Lufthanza yesterday.
Spam "HDYGH?"
NATO Bus from the airport.
HDYGH?
Puzzled - walked round the corner from the Hilton.
HDYGH?
Getting more confused - came through the door, walked up the stairs, turned left, went through the door and here I am.
HDYGH?
Eventually rephrased - "how did you get passed the guard on the door?"
Penny dropped, Oh, I just smiled at him, it was the same guard as was on last night when we came in to the restaurant.
Doh!
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The old Fablon-ed F1250s were easy to forge. A pilot friend was playing 'intruder' during a Taceval at a front-line fighter base. He made a fake F1250 using a piece of blue card, some mumbo-jumbo wording in Letraset and a photo of a pig. He toured the base for an hour or 2 using his '1250' to get into all the usual places and was asked for and showed his ID card on many occasions. Finally one of the smarter guards twigged and arrested him. His got an absolute roasting from the stn sdr for 'not taking the Taceval seriously'! He rightly maintained that he had shown up a fundemental weakness in the base's security arrangements.
I collected my new F1250 yesterday.
I applied for it after April 1st.
The layout has changed but is still a 1250, says so on the back.
So that's that then. No MOD90 for me
Worringly it has an expiry date, before my service is (due to be) over. Should I be told something?
I applied for it after April 1st.
The layout has changed but is still a 1250, says so on the back.
So that's that then. No MOD90 for me
Worringly it has an expiry date, before my service is (due to be) over. Should I be told something?
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SpotterFC
Wrong - they are no longer in the Admin Branch - they are now Ops Sp - same branch as the FCs - Ops Sp (Prov/Sy).
Do keep up
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Do keep up