Who to vote for...?
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A rant of mine made its way into the press and the MoD response stated that the cutbacks were a response to the post-Soviet world, as there was no need to meet the Warsaw Pact hordes head-on.
I thought that excuse was used for Options for Change 1 and 2, the Front Line First cuts and the Strategic Defence Review?
How to vote? Whichever party in your constituency that is best placed to give Bliar and BuffHoon a bloody nose! That will mean Tory or Lib Dem in most cases, or perhaps an independent candidate.
I thought that excuse was used for Options for Change 1 and 2, the Front Line First cuts and the Strategic Defence Review?
How to vote? Whichever party in your constituency that is best placed to give Bliar and BuffHoon a bloody nose! That will mean Tory or Lib Dem in most cases, or perhaps an independent candidate.
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The most important debate of the whole election is not being debated – which is who rules the UK? Is it Brussels or is it the Westminster parliament. How can a ‘foreign power’ under the guise of the European Union, have so much influence over our country, when we the people are sovereign? Who has given your power away that MPs now only make 17% of our legislation?
For further proof of the erosion of sovereignty we only need to look at the limited range of subjects being discussed by the other 3 parties Tax, Schools Hospitals and Crime. Michael Howard made an attempt to discuss immigration and was not only slapped down by Labour and the Lib Dems but also by the EU for encroaching upon their jurisdiction.
To restore your rightful control over your country, ask yourself which parties are offering Local and National referendum for you the electorate to keep control of politicians and councillors? How many parties are committed to abolishing secret council meetings? How many parties will not tolerate giving your powers away to other institutions? The answer is simple, only one party - the UK Independence Party.
If you keep voting the same, you will keep getting the same result. If you want continued subservience to the EU vote, Conservative, Lib Dem or Labour. But if you want a Britain to be run and controlled by Britons, there is only one choice for you, and that is to support the UK Independence Party.
For further proof of the erosion of sovereignty we only need to look at the limited range of subjects being discussed by the other 3 parties Tax, Schools Hospitals and Crime. Michael Howard made an attempt to discuss immigration and was not only slapped down by Labour and the Lib Dems but also by the EU for encroaching upon their jurisdiction.
To restore your rightful control over your country, ask yourself which parties are offering Local and National referendum for you the electorate to keep control of politicians and councillors? How many parties are committed to abolishing secret council meetings? How many parties will not tolerate giving your powers away to other institutions? The answer is simple, only one party - the UK Independence Party.
If you keep voting the same, you will keep getting the same result. If you want continued subservience to the EU vote, Conservative, Lib Dem or Labour. But if you want a Britain to be run and controlled by Britons, there is only one choice for you, and that is to support the UK Independence Party.
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The question of who to vote for has been exercising the movers (yes apologies for bringing them onto this board but.... ) on their own board .
Some very strange views but this has got to take the biscuit ....
and you don't have to register to put your comment on 
Some very strange views but this has got to take the biscuit ....
Secondly....FACT ! Mrs Thatcher and her limp wristed cronies sent this country to WAR in 1982 to defend an Island 18,000 miles away for one reason and one reason only.....TO WIN A GENERAL ELECTION !
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Don't let us decide for you, have a look then make your own choice.
Just make sure you do vote. Then make your mates vote. Then make them make their mates vote.......................ad nauseum.
At least we'd have a representative (ish) govt
Just make sure you do vote. Then make your mates vote. Then make them make their mates vote.......................ad nauseum.
At least we'd have a representative (ish) govt
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And if you can't decide who to vote for try this:
Who shall we vote for?
Worth five minutes of your time
Who shall we vote for?
Worth five minutes of your time
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Thank you for your constructive comments, my question was if you are comparing 2 different systems of accounting, how are they being compared. Your response have been
"You clearly don't understand Resource Account Budgeting"
"From 1990 to 1997 the UK defence budget fell 30% in real terms. "The defence vote is safe with the Tories", yeah right!"
"The current defence budget grew 7% in 2003 and 18% in 2004, compare this to Thatchers 3% increase at the height of the cold war."
"The whole of UK Govt moved to RAB in 2001, not just the MOD."
I could have taken your response straight from the Labour manifesto. I have a simple approach to politicians, regardless of party, I assume they are either hiding something or lying. It saves time. In your case you have used a lot of words to say nothing, are you a politician?
I understand that RAB is split into capaital and resource budgeting (C-DEL & R-DEL). Now given that personnel numbers have gone down since 97, then the R-DEL component is reduced. If this is true, then to reach your figures then the available expenditure for capital expenditure must have had the money being spent on resource being spent on capital and a bit more. Therefore, the forces should be knee deep in equipment.
However, if you are combining the C-DEL & R-DEL figures and comparing it with the previous capital only system then you are guilty of sleight of hand.
What is the definition of real, as in real increases that are being bantered about.
Regards
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Thank you for your constructive comments, my question was if you are comparing 2 different systems of accounting, how are they being compared. Your response have been
"You clearly don't understand Resource Account Budgeting"
"From 1990 to 1997 the UK defence budget fell 30% in real terms. "The defence vote is safe with the Tories", yeah right!"
"The current defence budget grew 7% in 2003 and 18% in 2004, compare this to Thatchers 3% increase at the height of the cold war."
"The whole of UK Govt moved to RAB in 2001, not just the MOD."
I could have taken your response straight from the Labour manifesto. I have a simple approach to politicians, regardless of party, I assume they are either hiding something or lying. It saves time. In your case you have used a lot of words to say nothing, are you a politician?
I understand that RAB is split into capaital and resource budgeting (C-DEL & R-DEL). Now given that personnel numbers have gone down since 97, then the R-DEL component is reduced. If this is true, then to reach your figures then the available expenditure for capital expenditure must have had the money being spent on resource being spent on capital and a bit more. Therefore, the forces should be knee deep in equipment.
However, if you are combining the C-DEL & R-DEL figures and comparing it with the previous capital only system then you are guilty of sleight of hand.
What is the definition of real, as in real increases that are being bantered about.
Regards
Retard
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If you haven't a clue about what your MP has achieved throughout the last Parliament or would like to know their attendance/voting record or indeed who he/she is, then can I recommend his informative site:
theyworkforyou.com
Also lists interests, expense claims, hospitality etc.
Well worth a look
theyworkforyou.com
Also lists interests, expense claims, hospitality etc.
Well worth a look
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Talking of fools, I read with interest that "two Jags" has been up to his old tricks again.
"b@gger off. Get on your bus, you amateur"
"b@gger off. Get on your bus, you amateur"
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2 Jags (2 more than the Royal Air Force!) has been north of the Border, treating the Jocks to his brand of stand-up comedy!
He managed to land a few verbal punches on the Edinburgh council under the mistaken impression it was under Lib Dem control - it is in fact in Labour hands, but not by much! He also laid into John Birt (jealousy perhaps) and was harangued by some underwhelmed shoppers at a local Tesco.
He managed to land a few verbal punches on the Edinburgh council under the mistaken impression it was under Lib Dem control - it is in fact in Labour hands, but not by much! He also laid into John Birt (jealousy perhaps) and was harangued by some underwhelmed shoppers at a local Tesco.
Who to vote for? Well, normally I'm loyal to my brother who is a PCC for the Lib Dems; however, I have to vote Tory this time in order to swell the only real opposition to that slimy $hit Bliar and his spin-ridden henchmen...
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I probably will end up going Tory... but everything ive seen of scary Howard is weak.
All he talks about is Immigration and while sure its a key issue, its not the only issue! Labour will win again... inevitable, Tories haven't done a good job the last few weeks at all.
All he talks about is Immigration and while sure its a key issue, its not the only issue! Labour will win again... inevitable, Tories haven't done a good job the last few weeks at all.
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You all, I think need to wake up to what the Lib/Lab/Con are saying - and ask them for clarification. Below I have copied an extract from Mike Nattrass MEP West Midlands:
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As an MEP let me make it quite clear; the European Union is not renegotiable. Once EU legislation is passed it cannot be changed. Parties who claim they can have a unilateral policy against EU policy cannot - it is that simple. Vote again for the UK Independence Party and get control of Your Country Back.
Mike Nattrass MEP - UK Independence Party, West Midlands
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Howard cannot whilst we belong to the EU enable his policies - he has stated that he is fully commited to the EU and he will not let the public have a referendum on whether to stay in the EU or leave it - Why not, you have to ask?
And remember that MPs no longer fully control our Country. The European Union (EU) now makes 83% of our legislation in Brussels, and this legislation has to be accepted by our parliament. The Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems are all happy with this arrangement - Is this democratic - I think not.
The only way to restore our proper democratic process is to leave the EU. Don't say you weren't told!
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As an MEP let me make it quite clear; the European Union is not renegotiable. Once EU legislation is passed it cannot be changed. Parties who claim they can have a unilateral policy against EU policy cannot - it is that simple. Vote again for the UK Independence Party and get control of Your Country Back.
Mike Nattrass MEP - UK Independence Party, West Midlands
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Howard cannot whilst we belong to the EU enable his policies - he has stated that he is fully commited to the EU and he will not let the public have a referendum on whether to stay in the EU or leave it - Why not, you have to ask?
And remember that MPs no longer fully control our Country. The European Union (EU) now makes 83% of our legislation in Brussels, and this legislation has to be accepted by our parliament. The Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems are all happy with this arrangement - Is this democratic - I think not.
The only way to restore our proper democratic process is to leave the EU. Don't say you weren't told!
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Come on Proone, can't wait for your next tilt at the thick ginger beer.
So, who to vote for? Sadly in Scotland my preferred party are all but non existant.Therefore I'll probably vote for the bunch who will increase my pension, decrease my poll tax (sic), reduce the tax on all the important things like whisky, wine, golf club membership, car fuel (and boat and aviation fuel) provide more accomodating nurses in my Cardiatic Rehab clinic, sack my cardiac rehab physiotherapist (sorry Hazel, you just push me too hard),provide me with a free train pass to go with the bus pass, re-open weekend flying for RAuxAF and let me play, ignore the follies of EU membership but capitilise on their goodies, ban the use of mobile phones in public, ban txtspk, allow me to shoot or otherwise dispose of scumbags who commit violent and or sexual assaults on "innocents" and finally promise to tell the truth and actually govern according to their promised policies.
So Tinker Bell gets my vote again.
So, who to vote for? Sadly in Scotland my preferred party are all but non existant.Therefore I'll probably vote for the bunch who will increase my pension, decrease my poll tax (sic), reduce the tax on all the important things like whisky, wine, golf club membership, car fuel (and boat and aviation fuel) provide more accomodating nurses in my Cardiatic Rehab clinic, sack my cardiac rehab physiotherapist (sorry Hazel, you just push me too hard),provide me with a free train pass to go with the bus pass, re-open weekend flying for RAuxAF and let me play, ignore the follies of EU membership but capitilise on their goodies, ban the use of mobile phones in public, ban txtspk, allow me to shoot or otherwise dispose of scumbags who commit violent and or sexual assaults on "innocents" and finally promise to tell the truth and actually govern according to their promised policies.
So Tinker Bell gets my vote again.