RAF Tristars Deploy To Manchester -Why ?
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RAF Tristars Deploy To Manchester -Why ?
Just wondered if any aircrew based at Brize knew why we had two RAF Tristars up here the other day on air refuelling duties?
They were taking Tonkas out to Bangor but just wondered why they operated out of Manchester rather than Brize.
Rumours up here suggested that the runway length was actually longer at Manchester than Brize allowing aheavier payload, but I have heard conflicting stories on this.
...any ideas ?
Oh and please come again we are starved of military at Manchester.
Couple of Tanker 10s would be just superb !
They were taking Tonkas out to Bangor but just wondered why they operated out of Manchester rather than Brize.
Rumours up here suggested that the runway length was actually longer at Manchester than Brize allowing aheavier payload, but I have heard conflicting stories on this.
...any ideas ?
Oh and please come again we are starved of military at Manchester.
Couple of Tanker 10s would be just superb !
Probably the hotel accomodations were better than the Mess at Brize.
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Rumours up here suggested that the runway length was actually longer at Manchester than Brize allowing aheavier payload, but I have heard conflicting stories on this.
This is a fairly easy one to answer.
Brize ATC can't clear any aircraft to do anything if a trishaw is in the UK FIR and may need their attention. With TWO bistars needing to depart at a similar time ATC would have been unable to clear either to do any action in case the other requested attention. Departing from an alternative airfield was the only option.
Hope this clears things up.
(Sent as I wait at the holding point for 26, again, for an aircraft not quite visible over London.)
Brize ATC can't clear any aircraft to do anything if a trishaw is in the UK FIR and may need their attention. With TWO bistars needing to depart at a similar time ATC would have been unable to clear either to do any action in case the other requested attention. Departing from an alternative airfield was the only option.
Hope this clears things up.
(Sent as I wait at the holding point for 26, again, for an aircraft not quite visible over London.)
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Ah yes, the Route Hotel at RAF Nause Brighton.
Is it true they stopped calkling it the Brize Norton Air Traffic Services Unit when they realised it wasn't providing a service?
Standy for broadcast, standby for broadcast. All personnel depolying on ASCOT 1234 to Akrotiri at 0430 are to wake up now. All other personnel are to remain asleep. End of broadcast.
Come meet the nice new SATCO and the equally charming DSATCO and make that statement to them.....if you dare!
Oxford Radar, Cotswold Radar, BNATSU and now Brize Radar. Do a pretty good job really, in my view. But attempting to provide IFR sep standards to traffic in blue, blue VMC Class D airspace is a real bind!
Regarding the 'joining straight in' VFR Hercs back from meat-bombing, well, chaps it's you who have to fit in with existing circuit traffic and if you don't like it, fly an instrument approach or join via initials!
Had the joy of enforcing that on a 146 at Benson when I was in the tower one day watching Bloggs v tarmac in my UAS days. 4 Bulldogs merrily pottering around the circuit when TQF belled up and announced that they were joining visually straight in from Princes Risborough. We'd had enough of them messing us about before, so I told the visual controller to clear the 146 to join via initials. There was a brief '"Say again?" "Roger, Kitty, join via initials with 4 in" she told him. The 146 then appeared and broke into the circuit, fitting in quite happily with the other traffic.
Later he had a mild whinge with the CFI. Mistake. Big mistake! "Suggest you read the FOB and revise visual circuit procedures" quoth he!
Oxford Radar, Cotswold Radar, BNATSU and now Brize Radar. Do a pretty good job really, in my view. But attempting to provide IFR sep standards to traffic in blue, blue VMC Class D airspace is a real bind!
Regarding the 'joining straight in' VFR Hercs back from meat-bombing, well, chaps it's you who have to fit in with existing circuit traffic and if you don't like it, fly an instrument approach or join via initials!
Had the joy of enforcing that on a 146 at Benson when I was in the tower one day watching Bloggs v tarmac in my UAS days. 4 Bulldogs merrily pottering around the circuit when TQF belled up and announced that they were joining visually straight in from Princes Risborough. We'd had enough of them messing us about before, so I told the visual controller to clear the 146 to join via initials. There was a brief '"Say again?" "Roger, Kitty, join via initials with 4 in" she told him. The 146 then appeared and broke into the circuit, fitting in quite happily with the other traffic.
Later he had a mild whinge with the CFI. Mistake. Big mistake! "Suggest you read the FOB and revise visual circuit procedures" quoth he!
