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Champagne anyone...?
I suspect it's all because life's a bitch.
The RAF and MoD do nothing through altruism or philanthropy. Every scheme or deal they offer is ultimately geared towards the needs of the Service. The FRIs etc were aimed at getting people financially tied in to prevent them, hopefully, PVRing. Look at how FRI is targetted now: ME junior pilots no longer get it (because there's too many of us) but pretty much every other pilot does. They'll quite happily see us go (which, amusingly enough, is what is happening). Boo hoo how sad never mind.
The military isn't some great Socialist jobs-for-life machine, it is subject to the same economic woes that all businesses are. If enough navs and AEOs voted with their feet the RAF would be forced to offer incentives for them to stay. They don't so the military don't. Simple.
In answer to your question about why not pay other trades cash to train as pilots.....er, why should they? (the £10k scheme for other pilots no longer no exists I believe) There is no requirement or need for them to do it so they don't - they have better (in their minds) things to spend their money on.
Is the RAF short of ATCers? I genuinely don't know. If they were and they losing too many of them through PVR then I suspect a similar scheme would appear for them too although I agree with BEags that there should be accreditation for relevant skills.
PS. Please stop banging on about your sodding canoe......
The RAF and MoD do nothing through altruism or philanthropy. Every scheme or deal they offer is ultimately geared towards the needs of the Service. The FRIs etc were aimed at getting people financially tied in to prevent them, hopefully, PVRing. Look at how FRI is targetted now: ME junior pilots no longer get it (because there's too many of us) but pretty much every other pilot does. They'll quite happily see us go (which, amusingly enough, is what is happening). Boo hoo how sad never mind.
The military isn't some great Socialist jobs-for-life machine, it is subject to the same economic woes that all businesses are. If enough navs and AEOs voted with their feet the RAF would be forced to offer incentives for them to stay. They don't so the military don't. Simple.
In answer to your question about why not pay other trades cash to train as pilots.....er, why should they? (the £10k scheme for other pilots no longer no exists I believe) There is no requirement or need for them to do it so they don't - they have better (in their minds) things to spend their money on.
Is the RAF short of ATCers? I genuinely don't know. If they were and they losing too many of them through PVR then I suspect a similar scheme would appear for them too although I agree with BEags that there should be accreditation for relevant skills.
PS. Please stop banging on about your sodding canoe......
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I agree for the most part, so why do we have NVQs? IIP? DPA? None of these have anything to do with the 'needs of the Service' (sorry, I couldn't resist throwing DPA in there - cheap shot I know
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I have never seen any evidence of similar schemes for ATC or FC.
Shortage of ATC/FC? FCs, definitely, though I note that the latest ad on the TV doesn't mention them. It does, however, mention ATC, so I guess we are short of them (or anticipate being so in a few years).
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P.S. CinC Home Command reports that we are shortly departing the fix for shopping ... now THAT was never in the contract! And, whilst I'm on the subject (just to lighten things up a bit):
Scientists have recently discovered a food substance that reduces women's sexual appetites by up to 90%....
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Every scheme or deal they offer is ultimately geared towards the needs of the Service.
).I have never seen any evidence of similar schemes for ATC or FC.
Shortage of ATC/FC? FCs, definitely, though I note that the latest ad on the TV doesn't mention them. It does, however, mention ATC, so I guess we are short of them (or anticipate being so in a few years).
BA
P.S. CinC Home Command reports that we are shortly departing the fix for shopping ... now THAT was never in the contract! And, whilst I'm on the subject (just to lighten things up a bit):
Scientists have recently discovered a food substance that reduces women's sexual appetites by up to 90%....
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Wedding Cake!
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Beags
Thanks for the gobbledyspeak
I spoke to the 'student CAA pilots' and the examiner, after landing, and they told me, in man readable English, what it cost them, and the system.
That was IRT flight only!
That was in 89, be a bit more now of course!
Beags, you also missed out the medical - £55
Thanks for the gobbledyspeak
I spoke to the 'student CAA pilots' and the examiner, after landing, and they told me, in man readable English, what it cost them, and the system.
That was IRT flight only!
That was in 89, be a bit more now of course!
Beags, you also missed out the medical - £55
Champagne anyone...?
I suspect we have NVQs and IIP because I believe all Government departments have to be accredited and offer these things. IIP does nothing for the Service per se other increase costs of new letterheads and daft mission statements.
buoy15 - no he didn't, that's what a "JAA Class 1" is
buoy15 - no he didn't, that's what a "JAA Class 1" is
buoy15, any 1989 practices have long been superseded and are ipso facto no longer germane to the issue.
If you find use of current JAR-FCL terminology 'gobbledyspeak', I doubt whether you have researched the subject in sufficient depth to comment objectively.
Keep piddling in your canoe!
If you find use of current JAR-FCL terminology 'gobbledyspeak', I doubt whether you have researched the subject in sufficient depth to comment objectively.
Keep piddling in your canoe!
