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SS,
I really do love your style
You've got Crash test, Swerve and VPL wriggling quite nicely
....maybe it's time to reel them in or simply cut them loose. Whatever keep posting as it makes great reading
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
I really do love your style
You've got Crash test, Swerve and VPL wriggling quite nicely ....maybe it's time to reel them in or simply cut them loose. Whatever keep posting as it makes great reading all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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WG,
Well, I think the Jonathan King comment was totally uncalled for and well below the belt even for you.
It seems that SS has a following of a few who have to pop up with the same anti-SS comments as usual. Find a thread with SS on and there they will be, with only a few exceptions. I am flattered at the following.
To correct you once more, it was on page 2 where Hyd3 cast doubt on Army Engineering standards and practices and this matter wasn't in question before his post.
No I haven't crashed a Lynx. Engine failures, low engine oil press, the AFCS land ASP one, a few minor incidents, but not crashed, Have you?
Which side of me did you not see? You know me well enough to make harsh comment, but then say you didn't see a particular side of me.
Like VP959, I think it it you that has a chip on the old shoulder for some reason. Was it the Austria course that got to you or something else that happened before we were posted to the same location once more, albeit different Squadrons, where we hardly met up?
I'll give you the results of my future brew up at EGXD, which in fact is happening soon. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who don't come into pprune and within those that do, many don't take things to heart as you seem to. If we were talking in the crewroom there would be no threats the like of, 'I'll get you'. from anyone. People, sensible people, may simply walk away from the discussion. Others hanker for the argument and stay, don't we.
How much time do I need on the cab to be an expert such as yourself?
Yes you may have more Lynx hours than I, but the Wallop circuit isn't exactly the harshest of environmrents in which to fly is it.
Maximum diameter of wire tested with remotely controlled and/or tethered rotorcraft to asess effectiveness of the WSPS, is out there.
NASA have a publication, "A History of Full-Scale Aircraft and Rotorcraft Crash Testing", which includes the WSPS qualification tests.
Anyway, when are you popping in for a brew/lunch?
Enjoy your Gazelle conversion! TQ, Nc, T4, CWP.
For the rest of the gentlemen interested in the subject, you may like to read this.
"Contrary to popular belief, pilots involved in wire-strike incidents are not primarily young and inexperienced; the average wire-strike pilot is 40 years old with 2,300 hr of experience and 14 percent of wire-strike incidents occurred with pilots having more than 10,000 flight hours. Eighty-six percent of wire strikes occur in clear weather with high visibility, and approximately half occur in rural areas. A full 40 percent of pilots involved in wire strikes knew the wires were there.
Helicopter pilots may find a little comfort in knowing that wire strikes are not predominantly a rotorcraft problem; approximately 80 percent of wire strikes occur with fixed-wing aircraft. Given the devastating nature of wire strikes, however, Feerst said they are a danger of that every pilot should be more aware of. "
Night All.
Well, I think the Jonathan King comment was totally uncalled for and well below the belt even for you.
It seems that SS has a following of a few who have to pop up with the same anti-SS comments as usual. Find a thread with SS on and there they will be, with only a few exceptions. I am flattered at the following.
To correct you once more, it was on page 2 where Hyd3 cast doubt on Army Engineering standards and practices and this matter wasn't in question before his post.
No I haven't crashed a Lynx. Engine failures, low engine oil press, the AFCS land ASP one, a few minor incidents, but not crashed, Have you?
Which side of me did you not see? You know me well enough to make harsh comment, but then say you didn't see a particular side of me.
Like VP959, I think it it you that has a chip on the old shoulder for some reason. Was it the Austria course that got to you or something else that happened before we were posted to the same location once more, albeit different Squadrons, where we hardly met up?
I'll give you the results of my future brew up at EGXD, which in fact is happening soon. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who don't come into pprune and within those that do, many don't take things to heart as you seem to. If we were talking in the crewroom there would be no threats the like of, 'I'll get you'. from anyone. People, sensible people, may simply walk away from the discussion. Others hanker for the argument and stay, don't we.
How much time do I need on the cab to be an expert such as yourself?
Yes you may have more Lynx hours than I, but the Wallop circuit isn't exactly the harshest of environmrents in which to fly is it.
Maximum diameter of wire tested with remotely controlled and/or tethered rotorcraft to asess effectiveness of the WSPS, is out there.
NASA have a publication, "A History of Full-Scale Aircraft and Rotorcraft Crash Testing", which includes the WSPS qualification tests.
Anyway, when are you popping in for a brew/lunch?
Enjoy your Gazelle conversion!
TQ, Nc, T4, CWP.For the rest of the gentlemen interested in the subject, you may like to read this.
"Contrary to popular belief, pilots involved in wire-strike incidents are not primarily young and inexperienced; the average wire-strike pilot is 40 years old with 2,300 hr of experience and 14 percent of wire-strike incidents occurred with pilots having more than 10,000 flight hours. Eighty-six percent of wire strikes occur in clear weather with high visibility, and approximately half occur in rural areas. A full 40 percent of pilots involved in wire strikes knew the wires were there.
Helicopter pilots may find a little comfort in knowing that wire strikes are not predominantly a rotorcraft problem; approximately 80 percent of wire strikes occur with fixed-wing aircraft. Given the devastating nature of wire strikes, however, Feerst said they are a danger of that every pilot should be more aware of. "
Night All.
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Well, I think the Jonathan King comment was totally uncalled for and well below the belt even for you.
I do not feel the need to go down the 'anti SS' route. I think I comment/post on what I see, not as you suggest, a campaign against you mate.
I commented on your broadbrush post on the collection of 'media' crashes. Some due to tech failure, some due to sloppy link interface.
No I haven't crashed a Lynx. Engine failures, low engine oil press, the AFCS land ASP one, a few minor incidents, but not crashed, Have you?
Which side of me did you not see? You know me well enough to make harsh comment, but then say you didn't see a particular side of me.
I choose not to discuss personal matters on a public forum. If I choose to, I will PM you. I'm just countering your online 'opinions'.
I'm not going to justify this comment;
I think it it you that has a chip on the old shoulder for some reason. Was it the Austria course that got to you or something else that happened before we were posted to the same location once more, albeit different Squadrons, where we hardly met up?
How much time do I need on the cab to be an expert such as yourself? Yes you may have more Lynx hours than I, but the Wallop circuit isn't exactly the harshest of environmrents in which to fly is it.
Anyway, when are you popping in for a brew/lunch?
And it's a refresher BTW!
As I said previously, if you know the information regarding AH wire cutting capabilities, why ask? If you dont, dont!
Your serve mate. (Take it away from personal too mate, it doesnt do your cause much IMHO).
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WG,
Mmm, our banter views must have a different threshold.
There is in fact a story behind that involving a certain Squadrons return to UK.
However as things have turned out, the most useful course I ever did, obviously apart from the APC.
A ridiculous thing to say. Do you not think I know your experience on the Lynx.
A rain check on the brew? You surprise me.
I asked about the wire cutter info to get a discussion going, However we seem to have turned this thread into a WG-13 / SS chat forum, for all to see.
I'm not playing anymore along this line. I'm off to polish my visor or brasso my 'pig tail' and it's my turn to make the brews.
ATB
SS
p.s. Are we still mates in real life?
Mmm, our banter views must have a different threshold.
Did you choose to fly it or were you 'pushed'?
However as things have turned out, the most useful course I ever did, obviously apart from the APC.
Are my posts not relevant concerning Lynx in your presence?
A rain check on the brew? You surprise me.
I asked about the wire cutter info to get a discussion going, However we seem to have turned this thread into a WG-13 / SS chat forum, for all to see.
I'm not playing anymore along this line. I'm off to polish my visor or brasso my 'pig tail' and it's my turn to make the brews.
ATB
SS
p.s. Are we still mates in real life?
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You started it!!
I would truly like to hope that your online persona is not as I knew you. I'm having trouble though.
Why quip about 'the Wallop cct'?
So, did you choose to fly Lynx?
My online persona can equal yours mate. It's just a case of how far you wish to go. Sorry if I cant raise my level of blinkered race horse to yours pal.
I would truly like to hope that your online persona is not as I knew you. I'm having trouble though.
Do you not think I know your experience on the Lynx.
So, did you choose to fly Lynx?
My online persona can equal yours mate. It's just a case of how far you wish to go. Sorry if I cant raise my level of blinkered race horse to yours pal.
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I think the persona feeling is mutual. Although your vocabulary seems to have widened. 
(Bag of $hite)
Wallop cct, banter (It's that difference of severity thing)
Only if I wanted to move my family back to the UK after being in theatre for 4 months. With the 'Premier Squadron' moving back to UK leaving no Gazelles in GT, we were all given a choice. Postings wherever or stay and convert. At the time of descision, we had just moved quarters for the 2nd time in that 4 months.
You did ask.
Not a matter of being pushed or jumping, but standing on the gangplank and it slowly being pulled on board.
Put the violins away folks, because as I said previously, as things have turned out, the most useful course I ever did, obviously apart from the APC.
Do we have any more info on the origin of this thread?
(Bag of $hite) Wallop cct, banter
(It's that difference of severity thing)
So, did you choose to fly Lynx?
You did ask.
Not a matter of being pushed or jumping, but standing on the gangplank and it slowly being pulled on board.
Put the violins away folks, because as I said previously, as things have turned out, the most useful course I ever did, obviously apart from the APC.
Do we have any more info on the origin of this thread?
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So, not exactly a volunteer in the precise sense of the word then SS? Would that answer certain questions to your opinion of the cab as seen on this and a few other threads? How come other chaps who have flown the cab for many a year with a considerably larger amount of time than you or me not voiced their concerns? (There are rather alot of ex Mk1 and Mk 7 types who post regularly on here too as you will no doubt know).
With regard to the origin of this thread, the answer is yes. But one would not like to say on this meduim.
With regard to the origin of this thread, the answer is yes. But one would not like to say on this meduim.
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Perhaps that may well have a bearing on things, I'd like to think not. Then again I'm not a Pschycologist. However, I have always had time to listen to the views of others, especially from those with more experience on the type than I, whilst I was learning to operate her.
Maybe because they are grown up enough not to get dragged into a discussion like this. 
And I wager a lot who don't!
As I said before, AGAIN, "Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who don't come into pprune and within those that do, many don't take things to heart as you seem to."
I respect your decision not relase any further information until the BOI has released its results.
How come other chaps who have flown the cab for many a year with a considerably larger amount of time than you or me not voiced their concerns?
(There are rather alot of ex Mk1 and Mk 7 types who post regularly on here too as you will no doubt know).
As I said before, AGAIN, "Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who don't come into pprune and within those that do, many don't take things to heart as you seem to."
I respect your decision not relase any further information until the BOI has released its results.
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And they allow people like SS in the millitary? God help us thats all I can say. What a superb advert for the so called professionals he is! I remember behaviour such as his in the school playground.
I do find it funny how the accident/incident in a Lynx thread has been hijacked by sid and the majority of what he has posted has nothing to do with the subject matter at all.
I only view the thread to see if there is anything constructive come out post incident with regards to the aircrews well being, not to listen to schoolboy insults being thrown back and fourth.
Why sid doesnt start his own thread on how much more he knows than everyone else and why only his opinion counts beats me. Maybe its because no one will want to view it knowing who the originator of the thread is.
I do find it funny how the accident/incident in a Lynx thread has been hijacked by sid and the majority of what he has posted has nothing to do with the subject matter at all.
I only view the thread to see if there is anything constructive come out post incident with regards to the aircrews well being, not to listen to schoolboy insults being thrown back and fourth.
Why sid doesnt start his own thread on how much more he knows than everyone else and why only his opinion counts beats me. Maybe its because no one will want to view it knowing who the originator of the thread is.
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Champagne Anyone?;
Don't take everything so seriously.
Well that wasn't the case before owe ver chute started chipping in on the last page and then wg13 carried it on, so have a go at them aswell please.
I don't know much more than everyone else, I have an opinion, so do you. Why can't I express mine without you ranting like that.?
So SilsoeSid is now also CAC Runaway?
How many people can I possibly be?
In fact why don\'t you accuse me of a split personality and say that I am wg-13 dummy aswell?
p.s. I only had to post this because you called for it!
Don't take everything so seriously.
I do find it funny how the accident/incident in a Lynx thread has been hijacked by sid and the majority of what he has posted has nothing to do with the subject matter at all.
I don't know much more than everyone else, I have an opinion, so do you. Why can't I express mine without you ranting like that.?
So SilsoeSid is now also CAC Runaway?
How many people can I possibly be?
In fact why don\'t you accuse me of a split personality and say that I am wg-13 dummy aswell?
p.s. I only had to post this because you called for it!
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So SilsoeSid is now also CAC Runaway?
How many people can I possibly be?
In fact why don't you accuse me of a split personality and say that I am wg-13 dummy aswell?
How many people can I possibly be?
In fact why don't you accuse me of a split personality and say that I am wg-13 dummy aswell?
Wow, SS has hijacked this thread and I failed to see it!
Back to the action. SPTA Lynx crash.....
At this time, the fleet has not been grounded. The crew are safe and well. Fact of life in this job, it may at times be hazardess. Moving on......
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Moving on....
If you are at all interested...... And no I don't think there is a 'security issue' in this.
The capability of the WSPSâ to protect against damage due to a wire strike has been demonstrated by Bristol Aerospace Limited through extensive ground tests using a truck–mounted helicopter fuselage and various wires and cables, including a single span 10M (10,000lbs. minimum breaking strength) cable and a combination of a 10M and a polyethylene shielded communications cable (100 pair, 24 gauge insulated copper wire). These tests were conducted at various speeds up to 60 miles per hour.
The effectiveness of the WSPSâ to protect helicopters against wire strike damage involving wires and cables commonly used in the North American rural environment was verified by the U.S. Army through pendulum–swing tests conducted at the NASA Impact Dynamic Test Facility at Langley, Virginia. Tests against a single span of an 11,000 lb. minimum breaking strength steel cable were conducted using the OH–58A, UH–1, OH–6A, AH–1S, UH–60, and AH–64 helicopters. Swing tests against multiple spans of electrical and communications cables with combined strength in excess of 23,000 lbs were conducted using the OH–58A helicopter. These tests were conducted with the helicopter in a horizontal position at time of cable impact. The test results for the OH–58A are presented in U.S. Army Applied technology laboratory report No. USAAVRADCOM–TM–80–D–7, entitled “Investigation of Helicopter Wire Strike Protection Concepts”, dated June 1980.
The effectiveness of the WSPSâ to protect helicopters against wire strikes involving wires commonly used in the European rural environment was verified by Aerospatiale helicopter division through ground wire strike tests conducted at the French Army CEV/Istres test facility. A truck mounted, WSPSâ equipped Gazelle helicopter was driven into three spans of Aster 147 electrical cables (.625” diameter, 19 strand aluminum electrical conductor) with combined tensile strength of 32,100 lbs. The test results are documented in Aerospatiale report 341A.06.2479.JdG, dated 1 October 1986.
Flight tests are conducted to determine the effect on aircraft handling characteristics and radio disturbances, etc., by various military and civilian authorities on WSPSâ equipped helicopters for the purpose of product certification. No in–flight wire strike tests to verify the system capability have been conducted.
Any volunteers?
Go on Champers, suggest SS!!
If you are at all interested...... And no I don't think there is a 'security issue' in this.
The capability of the WSPSâ to protect against damage due to a wire strike has been demonstrated by Bristol Aerospace Limited through extensive ground tests using a truck–mounted helicopter fuselage and various wires and cables, including a single span 10M (10,000lbs. minimum breaking strength) cable and a combination of a 10M and a polyethylene shielded communications cable (100 pair, 24 gauge insulated copper wire). These tests were conducted at various speeds up to 60 miles per hour.
The effectiveness of the WSPSâ to protect helicopters against wire strike damage involving wires and cables commonly used in the North American rural environment was verified by the U.S. Army through pendulum–swing tests conducted at the NASA Impact Dynamic Test Facility at Langley, Virginia. Tests against a single span of an 11,000 lb. minimum breaking strength steel cable were conducted using the OH–58A, UH–1, OH–6A, AH–1S, UH–60, and AH–64 helicopters. Swing tests against multiple spans of electrical and communications cables with combined strength in excess of 23,000 lbs were conducted using the OH–58A helicopter. These tests were conducted with the helicopter in a horizontal position at time of cable impact. The test results for the OH–58A are presented in U.S. Army Applied technology laboratory report No. USAAVRADCOM–TM–80–D–7, entitled “Investigation of Helicopter Wire Strike Protection Concepts”, dated June 1980.
The effectiveness of the WSPSâ to protect helicopters against wire strikes involving wires commonly used in the European rural environment was verified by Aerospatiale helicopter division through ground wire strike tests conducted at the French Army CEV/Istres test facility. A truck mounted, WSPSâ equipped Gazelle helicopter was driven into three spans of Aster 147 electrical cables (.625” diameter, 19 strand aluminum electrical conductor) with combined tensile strength of 32,100 lbs. The test results are documented in Aerospatiale report 341A.06.2479.JdG, dated 1 October 1986.
Flight tests are conducted to determine the effect on aircraft handling characteristics and radio disturbances, etc., by various military and civilian authorities on WSPSâ equipped helicopters for the purpose of product certification. No in–flight wire strike tests to verify the system capability have been conducted.
Any volunteers?
Go on Champers, suggest SS!!
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Flight tests are conducted to determine the effect on aircraft handling characteristics and radio disturbances, etc., by various military and civilian authorities on WSPSâ equipped helicopters for the purpose of product certification. No in–flight wire strike tests to verify the system capability have been conducted.
Any volunteers?
Any volunteers?
It's funny how this thread has degenerated into a slagging match. I, for one, still fly the mighty five ton love truck and have no worries, when strapping in, that i won't be coming back. The aircraft is an old and complex beast that needs to be treated with the respect it deserves.... but so do all old complex twins. I still enjoy every minute in the Lynx but maybe i don't have the time on it to be too worried yet
Anyway enough about me.....
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Would that be "Operation Certain Death" ???? which I seem to recall was an operation which could not have taken place without the trusty Lynx.
As for Hyd3's comments regarding S&P's
That is not criticising the Navies Engineering S&P's at all. All he is sayiong is that the AAC and Navy have different S&P's
As for Hyd3's comments regarding S&P's
the AAC Mk 7 and Mk9 which are very different to the Navy Mk 3 and Mk8 particularly with regards to Engineering standards and practices
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Well there are lynx fitted with wire strike protection. Similair design to the Apache.
3 seperate positions on the aircraft. one just in front the nose wheel, one on top of the nose (above the pitot tube) and one on the top of the control tunnel ontop of the canopy.
This is fitted to the new mk120 Omani lynx as standard. Out of interest they also have a HUD fitted. The mk120 is the most advanced lynx ever made.
All those crashes listed earlier all seam to be AAC and RN, how about other countries lynx fleet. Other than the dutch cab that lost a blade sleeve. How many other crashes has there been? not many. Does this say something for the standard of the brit maintainers?? Having seen lynx from several different countries i have to say that the british armys cabs are by far the least looked after, the best? Denmark and Norway, those cabs are spotless.
3 seperate positions on the aircraft. one just in front the nose wheel, one on top of the nose (above the pitot tube) and one on the top of the control tunnel ontop of the canopy.
This is fitted to the new mk120 Omani lynx as standard. Out of interest they also have a HUD fitted. The mk120 is the most advanced lynx ever made.
All those crashes listed earlier all seam to be AAC and RN, how about other countries lynx fleet. Other than the dutch cab that lost a blade sleeve. How many other crashes has there been? not many. Does this say something for the standard of the brit maintainers?? Having seen lynx from several different countries i have to say that the british armys cabs are by far the least looked after, the best? Denmark and Norway, those cabs are spotless.
Theworldsbestheli,
Just registered? You can't be a journo with spelling that bad.
However, your post was in somewhat poor taste. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by spouting off trivia about export Lynx, then posting inflammatory comments about fatal accidents.
Welcome to PPRuNe
LXGB
Just registered? You can't be a journo with spelling that bad.
However, your post was in somewhat poor taste. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by spouting off trivia about export Lynx, then posting inflammatory comments about fatal accidents.
Welcome to PPRuNe
LXGB
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Omani Lynx with wire cutters?
Would have been just as easy and costly to fit each pylon with a red light!
What else do they mark on their maps?
Oman - Air Force
AgustaWestland Super Lynx 300
Would have been just as easy and costly to fit each pylon with a red light!
What else do they mark on their maps?
Oman - Air Force
AgustaWestland Super Lynx 300