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Redundancy
140 Army Officers received redundancy notices at the beginning of Feb, yet Labour says we are 200 Officers short across all 3 Services. The Conservatives put the figure at 750.
When are the RAF and RN going to start receiving redundancy notices I wonder?
What would make a viable redundancy package to you?
When are the RAF and RN going to start receiving redundancy notices I wonder?
What would make a viable redundancy package to you?
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There are currently no plans for any redundancy measures with RN Aircrew. In fact we are paying our guys to stay in with an attractive FRI package.
We also learnt our lessons from the redunancy measures we made in the late 90's. Don't think we'll make that mistake again. BUT there again we probably will.
However, what has always puzzled me is why we don't cross pollinate the services. If we are to be as "purple" as our lords and masters wish then why shy away from having "purple" aircrew.
It seems daft that the AAC and RAF are sending out redundancy notices, no doubt with substantial redundancy packages and in the same breath the RN are PAYING their guys to stay in with the FRI. What a waste on money. Why not take a few Chinook, Puma, Seaking, Merlin aircrew and send them to the RN for a couple of years? It might not solve the problem BUT it would save some money whilst the appointers try to solve the problem.
We also learnt our lessons from the redunancy measures we made in the late 90's. Don't think we'll make that mistake again. BUT there again we probably will.
However, what has always puzzled me is why we don't cross pollinate the services. If we are to be as "purple" as our lords and masters wish then why shy away from having "purple" aircrew.
It seems daft that the AAC and RAF are sending out redundancy notices, no doubt with substantial redundancy packages and in the same breath the RN are PAYING their guys to stay in with the FRI. What a waste on money. Why not take a few Chinook, Puma, Seaking, Merlin aircrew and send them to the RN for a couple of years? It might not solve the problem BUT it would save some money whilst the appointers try to solve the problem.
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H3F made a very interesting point regarding the' purple concept'. Canada tried the same in the early nineties and it failed !!!
Can we afford to streamline our already stretched forces further. Lets maintain mastery of individual skills and not develop a Force consisting of 'jack of all trades'.
Can we afford to streamline our already stretched forces further. Lets maintain mastery of individual skills and not develop a Force consisting of 'jack of all trades'.
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The Canada thing failed because they tried to combine the whole thing. Im just suggesting that it seems daft making aircrew redundant when we are desperate...
One arm of the AF's is paying people money because they are no longer required....and another is paying people to stay in cos we can't afford to lose them.....How daft is that !
Now its nice for you all to have a dig at me and call me names...BUT am I really the only one who thinks this is silly?
In the 90's we leant our lessons and now we merely identify them.
One arm of the AF's is paying people money because they are no longer required....and another is paying people to stay in cos we can't afford to lose them.....How daft is that !
Now its nice for you all to have a dig at me and call me names...BUT am I really the only one who thinks this is silly?
In the 90's we leant our lessons and now we merely identify them.
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I agree with H3F. It is senseless to offer FRI packages to one group and yet serve redundancy notices to another.
I would be interested to know what our light blue bretheren think.
I would be interested to know what our light blue bretheren think.
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" seems daft that the AAC and RAF are sending out redundancy notices, no doubt with substantial redundancy packages and in the same breath the RN are PAYING their guys to stay in with the FRI. What a waste on money. Why not take a few Chinook, Puma, Seaking, Merlin aircrew and send them to the RN for a couple of years? It might not solve the problem BUT it would save some money whilst the appointers try to solve the problem."
H3F has a point. I can only see one problem in that you could end up having Non-Comm Army aircrew flying RAF/FAA Aircraft which are flown by commissioned officers. Surely it's now time to a/ introduce Non-Comm Aircrew into (at least) The RAF/FAA Rotary communities and b/ For the three services to get there heads together and make personell interservice transfer much easer at all ranks?
H3F has a point. I can only see one problem in that you could end up having Non-Comm Army aircrew flying RAF/FAA Aircraft which are flown by commissioned officers. Surely it's now time to a/ introduce Non-Comm Aircrew into (at least) The RAF/FAA Rotary communities and b/ For the three services to get there heads together and make personell interservice transfer much easer at all ranks?
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It seems to make perfect sense to me. Apparently the RN as a whole is underborne with Lts and has too many 2 & a Halfs. So fill the gaps.
It is not unprecedented, in the late 90s the Junglie community has 4 Aussies flying with us as their Squirrel programme had collapsed and they were consequently overborne.
I think there may be a problem for budgets. Already the RN has factored in the savings created by gapping. Thus we no longer have the money to fill all the gaps*! I imagine there would be some interesting TLB to TLB chats as to how the RN might fund RAF aircrew when they have no money to do so.
*Before I'm challenged on the source of the budgetary comments, it is legit.
It is not unprecedented, in the late 90s the Junglie community has 4 Aussies flying with us as their Squirrel programme had collapsed and they were consequently overborne.
I think there may be a problem for budgets. Already the RN has factored in the savings created by gapping. Thus we no longer have the money to fill all the gaps*! I imagine there would be some interesting TLB to TLB chats as to how the RN might fund RAF aircrew when they have no money to do so.
*Before I'm challenged on the source of the budgetary comments, it is legit.
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Why not take a few Chinook, Puma, Seaking, Merlin aircrew and send them to the RN for a couple of years?
However, they should at least be offered the choice.MadMark!!!
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I think, if you look at the details of the withdrawal of FRI's from the crabs, it applies to everyone except FJ Pilot/Navs and RW Pilots. Hence anyone who might be useful to the FAA is being actively kept in the junior service. I guess you could take a fun-bus, kipper fleet or tanker pilot, but then you'd have to put him through ACP/OCP, hence with the same associated risks and costing as much in training as a nozzer off the street - who the RN will get more years of service from?
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Posted 13 Dec 04....
If the RN are still getting FRI when I should get mine as a Crab helo pilot (and won't because it has been withdrawn), I will throw my teddies out of the cot - I have always wanted to fly the besat that is the 'King' after all and do all of that operational flying that I have missed out on in my time in the SH Farce!!!
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If the RN and AAC are so short of pilots then why don't the drafters/posters do a bit of cross-service chatting to fill the slots. Why should an AAC/RN helo pilot get the FRI when RAF helo pilots do not. We all work for the same JOINT Helicopter Command don't we???
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Classic research old chap..............
We don't have enough of those you mention as it is......and of the few we have why on earth would any of them want a life on the ocean wave or a job as a taxi driver
Much better off where they are
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Classic research old chap..............
We don't have enough of those you mention as it is......and of the few we have why on earth would any of them want a life on the ocean wave or a job as a taxi driver
Much better off where they are
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We don't have enough of those you mention as it is
Much better off where they are
Hyd Palm tree.... Yep, the RN are still getting the FRI and will continue to do so until someone starts recruiting. At the moment there is a very real; need to retain our guys and gals and to avoid losing them to the airlines (or any where else FTM) and as long as there is a need to retain them then they will get the FRI.
S'funny that we have been utilising the FRI for about 4 years now and the problem is still here...!!!!
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hyd3 mate
it's very simple. There are no aircrew in the RAF being made redundant! Granted, the FRI 1 is being withdrawn for the RAF (boo hiss) which bites when you are on a Joint Force that is made up of RN pilots (getting FRI 1) and RAF pilots (not getting FRI 1). I therefore refer you to your earlier comment:
No aircrew being made redundant, therefore no one to fill RN slots (so to speak), therefore this is a mostly irrelevant thread. Unless you want to recruit some of our engineers?
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it's very simple. There are no aircrew in the RAF being made redundant! Granted, the FRI 1 is being withdrawn for the RAF (boo hiss) which bites when you are on a Joint Force that is made up of RN pilots (getting FRI 1) and RAF pilots (not getting FRI 1). I therefore refer you to your earlier comment:
So why make them redundant....and if they are not being made redundant then who is being made redundant and whats this thread about...
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