Petition for the abolition of Crossbows
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Crossbow said he attended the institution called John Moores, which was then (in about 78/79) a poly. Would Betty have paid for him to go there? ISTR that at the time in-service degrees meant attending a university, not a poly awarding CNAA degrees.
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Jacko,
OK! I hear you but a few more snippets from RAF list: Commissioned 1978 (at 18 and 4 days). If he subsequently/immediately went to Uni as per the BEagle scheme he would have graduated from a 3-year course in 1981 then back to Cranners for IOT and, hey presto, he graduates in 1982 as you suggest.
Liverpool John Moores; praise of the Jag; suggestion that he is an engineer "getting ac serviceable" (or words to that effect) etc etc - all a smokescreen as the hounds have been closing in for days.
I await BEagle's news on what schemes were on offer in the 70s!
OK! I hear you but a few more snippets from RAF list: Commissioned 1978 (at 18 and 4 days). If he subsequently/immediately went to Uni as per the BEagle scheme he would have graduated from a 3-year course in 1981 then back to Cranners for IOT and, hey presto, he graduates in 1982 as you suggest.
Liverpool John Moores; praise of the Jag; suggestion that he is an engineer "getting ac serviceable" (or words to that effect) etc etc - all a smokescreen as the hounds have been closing in for days.
I await BEagle's news on what schemes were on offer in the 70s!
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I'm sure that the troll known as Crossbow must be laughing at the furore he has created, but I have to say it is quite fascinating to watch the developments!
From my own reading of the Crossbow Tapes, he doesn't come across as an FJ pilot - his is inaccurate in his language and grammar, he tries to leave inferences rather than stating facts. And when you directly challenge him on a substantive point, he dives off at a tangent. Classic internet troll behaviour.
On the poly subject, I know a former GR1 pilot who attended a poly in the late 70s on an RAF bursery.
From my own reading of the Crossbow Tapes, he doesn't come across as an FJ pilot - his is inaccurate in his language and grammar, he tries to leave inferences rather than stating facts. And when you directly challenge him on a substantive point, he dives off at a tangent. Classic internet troll behaviour.
On the poly subject, I know a former GR1 pilot who attended a poly in the late 70s on an RAF bursery.
All APOs were commissioned on getting their Cadetships, and Mark Bowman obviously got his in 78, graduating in 81 from his Aero Eng degree (if memory serves) at Imperial. Then IOT as normal.
Unless he'd joined the RAF as a Halton Apprentice at 16, a join date of 1976 is impossible, and I'd suggest that it would be entirely impossible for a 'Brat' to gain sufficient qualifications to win a place at Imperial AND get a cadetship in just two years, and had he been an ex-Brat, I suspect that fact would have been widely known.
But the compelling thing for me is that Crossbow does not come across as being a punchy, immensely likeable and sociable, academic high flier. Mark Bowman is/was - though as a VR who was younger than him, we didn't have a lot in common, or much contact.
Unless he'd joined the RAF as a Halton Apprentice at 16, a join date of 1976 is impossible, and I'd suggest that it would be entirely impossible for a 'Brat' to gain sufficient qualifications to win a place at Imperial AND get a cadetship in just two years, and had he been an ex-Brat, I suspect that fact would have been widely known.
But the compelling thing for me is that Crossbow does not come across as being a punchy, immensely likeable and sociable, academic high flier. Mark Bowman is/was - though as a VR who was younger than him, we didn't have a lot in common, or much contact.
Never mind the dates. The evidence that it isn't Mr Bowman is plain to see. Some of Xbows answers have been one paragraph long. If you think Bowparts could answer any question without waffling on for 2-3 pages, you obviously don't know him!!
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Interestingly Crossbow PM'd me, and all has gone quiet once I revealed a rather minor stint with Warton Division BWoS during the EAP era (NOTHING to do with flying the damn thing I should add in case anyone accuses me of Crossbowing - like Ponting, but not being transparent enough in this case 
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Could this be because I know too much? There's a first for everything...
Maybe so, but it's the internet version of 'Clues Who?'!
Edited to add a plea for 'to crossbow' to become a recognised verb !
)Could this be because I know too much? There's a first for everything...
I'm sure that the troll known as Crossbow must be laughing at the furore he has created...
Edited to add a plea for 'to crossbow' to become a recognised verb !
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Never mind, foldingwings, it was a valiant effort nonetheless!
This fascinates me - I imagine there is a drive among many here now to 'out' this moron. I will watch with interest! (and contribute, if I can).
I second the adoption of the verb 'To Crossbow', at least here on PPRuNe.
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This fascinates me - I imagine there is a drive among many here now to 'out' this moron. I will watch with interest! (and contribute, if I can).
I second the adoption of the verb 'To Crossbow', at least here on PPRuNe.
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I'm still siding with you - your research and conclusion is sound - notwithstanding some variance in dates (easily countered), and the 'he was a good bloke' comments.
That said, I don't know the bloke and have no wish to inadvertantly condemn. There's an easy answer if he feels like joining in the fun - let's hear it.
But what of crossbow? - seems to have withdrawn from the register?
I'm still siding with you - your research and conclusion is sound - notwithstanding some variance in dates (easily countered), and the 'he was a good bloke' comments.
That said, I don't know the bloke and have no wish to inadvertantly condemn. There's an easy answer if he feels like joining in the fun - let's hear it.
But what of crossbow? - seems to have withdrawn from the register?
foldingwings, I joined RAFC Cranwell on 99 Entry in 1968, intending to do the normal 2.5 year Flt Cdt course. However, 'They' decided that the RAF needed more University educated officers, so as many of us as wished to were immediately encouraged to apply for University.
A few guys went straight away, but most of us did 12 months of marching, saluting, polishing, log-carrying and academics/war studies/PT etc. Then, after a couple of weeks leave post King Rock '69, we did a 'pre-University' week looking after fellow recruits who were going straight from school to University (the Green Shielders), so started at University in 1969 as an APO. It was supposed to be a 3 year course, but UAS flying and other things made that 4, then back to RAFC on 14 GE, graduating with wings in Summer '74 as a Fg Off.
A few guys went straight away, but most of us did 12 months of marching, saluting, polishing, log-carrying and academics/war studies/PT etc. Then, after a couple of weeks leave post King Rock '69, we did a 'pre-University' week looking after fellow recruits who were going straight from school to University (the Green Shielders), so started at University in 1969 as an APO. It was supposed to be a 3 year course, but UAS flying and other things made that 4, then back to RAFC on 14 GE, graduating with wings in Summer '74 as a Fg Off.
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Fella's,
I have been following your posts with great interest, and think i might have found something which may have been overlooked.
In reply to a post submitted by Brakedwell which read as follows:
Crossbow said....
This might i fear throw a small spanner in the works as folding wings (our resident Sherlock Homes!) stated .....
However, if we look at what Corssbow acctually said, his age could be anything between 45 and 51, thus meaning all of the dates stated could be out a little??
Might be wrong, but hope it's of help!
regards.
Nick
I have been following your posts with great interest, and think i might have found something which may have been overlooked.
In reply to a post submitted by Brakedwell which read as follows:
Like being at Liverpool University before joining the RAF in 1976? That would make crossbow at least 51 years old. He implies that he is flying Typhoons out of Warton and would go back to Jaguars if the third tranche is canned. As I said before, both Pinnoccio and Walter Mitty spring to mind!
Im not as old as that but I am over 45
crossbow has admitted to being 45 now, so 1960 is bang on!!
Might be wrong, but hope it's of help!
regards.
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His silence/disappearance speaks volumes. The guy is a complete @rse. Even though this thread gives him a lot of attention, which he will clearly love, it still serves to highlight what a pathetic little turd this individual is inferring he is a TP at Warton.
The only jet he will have ever flown is a virtual one, in his virtual little world, virtually.....
The only jet he will have ever flown is a virtual one, in his virtual little world, virtually.....
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Blobby,
Surely your assertion that:
confirms the suspicion not denies it!
Anyone who is a TP at Warton and at work should surely be up in the luft or pouring over trial reports thereby not having the time to surf around every forum on PPRuNe making inane, fatuous and unsubstantiated comments.
Then, the corollary is that a TP at home with time on his hands................
Surely your assertion that:
I know him well and he is not at work at the moment....so it's not him!
Anyone who is a TP at Warton and at work should surely be up in the luft or pouring over trial reports thereby not having the time to surf around every forum on PPRuNe making inane, fatuous and unsubstantiated comments.
Then, the corollary is that a TP at home with time on his hands................
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Well, he's implied many things.
I very rarely do this if someone PMs me, but here is the substance of his riposte to the Woodvale topic in Tony B Liar thread. I'm certain enough that he is not who he hints to be to do this:
Try this for size then. Lives near Warton, flies with the VGS at Samlesbury. Swing Role? Would that be engine on or off?
Come on Crossbow, where have you been since 8 Feb?
BWOS - well if the RAF is BWOS then thats me. Nope Im a serving member of HM's finest. Im currently flying my A--e off at a small and quiet airfield in Lancashire.
I think my profile gives too much away but as you can see it says where Iam based and the clue to SWING ROLE should also give the aircraft type away as well.
Come on Crossbow, where have you been since 8 Feb?
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Crossbow is not MB, that is unless Bowparts is really bored and is winding us all up! Uckers rules means he's winning by a Harrier mile at present but as all real mudmovers know a Harrier mile is rather elastic and so the game continues.
MB is far too erudite to pen the utter dribble put out by Xbow, but to be able to maintain said dribble over all the posts suggests that the author is indeed a pillock or someone with a clear , clever and analytical mind and the ability to maintain a consistant level of banality which he doesn't really believe.
Roghead Warton Flt Ops 1987-2001.
MB is far too erudite to pen the utter dribble put out by Xbow, but to be able to maintain said dribble over all the posts suggests that the author is indeed a pillock or someone with a clear , clever and analytical mind and the ability to maintain a consistant level of banality which he doesn't really believe.
Roghead Warton Flt Ops 1987-2001.
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Greetings!
Along with most others (Jacko aside), your post is an assertion without supportive 'fact'- whereas foldingwings' assertion is supported by some form of logic. It seems that neither crossbow or MB are willing to put the thing to rest - or is that the proof of the pudding?
All a bit tedious now -----------
Greetings!
Along with most others (Jacko aside), your post is an assertion without supportive 'fact'- whereas foldingwings' assertion is supported by some form of logic. It seems that neither crossbow or MB are willing to put the thing to rest - or is that the proof of the pudding?
All a bit tedious now -----------
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I'm with jindabyne (whatever one of those is) and anyway, whoever crossbow is he has departed from the register and unlikely to acknowledge any of foldingwings or other's assertions here.
Until he pops up as A.N. Other and starts all over again.
Let it rest!
Until he pops up as A.N. Other and starts all over again.
Let it rest!