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Suspicion breeds confidence
The Americans say that all four of these worms attended terrorist training camps and we are letting them roam free? Its too late to sling them out of a plane, but not too late to put them im Belmarsh.
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So do you believe everything the americans say? Watch channel four tonight (farenheit 9/11). Although M Moore may be over the top, it is scary to see some of the things on it. I for one do not believe everything Moore says in his 'documentary' but there is a hell of a lot of evidence showing the ineptitude of the security forces in America - one instance alone talks about allowing the Bin Laden family to leave the country despite flights being grounded.
As the ex FBI (i think, i cannot remember rightly) agent says on film, if you are hunting a murder suspect, the very least you do is interview his family to try to establish whereabouts. This is just one of many glaring errors.
As for 'these worms' attending terrorist training camps, where is the evidence?? Show it, then if they are guilty, execute them.
Weapons of mass invisibility aside, Bush and his sycophantic puppy Blair invaded Iraq to 'rid the country of a dictator'who killed, tortured or incarcerated innocent people. So what are the CIA doing differently in Egypt or Gitmo?
We are allowing bombastic power happy politicians to drag our allegedly democratic countries into the gutter. We now wonder why over a 1000 yanks have died in iraq. The US forces do not understand hearts and minds as we do (or at least used to), but in this day and age of worldwide media coverage, hearts and minds campaigns do not just stop in the country of operation, they have to be seen to be operating all over.
So do you believe everything the americans say? Watch channel four tonight (farenheit 9/11). Although M Moore may be over the top, it is scary to see some of the things on it. I for one do not believe everything Moore says in his 'documentary' but there is a hell of a lot of evidence showing the ineptitude of the security forces in America - one instance alone talks about allowing the Bin Laden family to leave the country despite flights being grounded.
As the ex FBI (i think, i cannot remember rightly) agent says on film, if you are hunting a murder suspect, the very least you do is interview his family to try to establish whereabouts. This is just one of many glaring errors.
As for 'these worms' attending terrorist training camps, where is the evidence?? Show it, then if they are guilty, execute them.
Weapons of mass invisibility aside, Bush and his sycophantic puppy Blair invaded Iraq to 'rid the country of a dictator'who killed, tortured or incarcerated innocent people. So what are the CIA doing differently in Egypt or Gitmo?
We are allowing bombastic power happy politicians to drag our allegedly democratic countries into the gutter. We now wonder why over a 1000 yanks have died in iraq. The US forces do not understand hearts and minds as we do (or at least used to), but in this day and age of worldwide media coverage, hearts and minds campaigns do not just stop in the country of operation, they have to be seen to be operating all over.
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The americans believe our boys were terrorists? And they base their suspicions on the fact that the Prisoners were repeatedly punched, kicked, slapped, forcibly injected with drugs, deprived of sleep, hooded, photographed naked and subjected to body cavity searches and sexual and religious humiliations.
Talking of winning hearts and minds did anyone see Sky News this am when one of its reporters travelled with some Americans in Baghdad. They were driving along playing very loud Heavy Metal music - to get the traffic to move out of the way - might work but how many people are they going to p!$$ off as they proceed? This was, according to the report, an official tactic
- bo!!ock$ - it might have worked to get Noriega to surrender but all you're going to in Baghdad is attract the wrong kind of attention!
Well at least when the insurgents are targetting the Americans they aren't targeting the Brits who go about their business quietly and with due consideration.
- bo!!ock$ - it might have worked to get Noriega to surrender but all you're going to in Baghdad is attract the wrong kind of attention!
Well at least when the insurgents are targetting the Americans they aren't targeting the Brits who go about their business quietly and with due consideration.
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yep, I thought that was the case. Well, if the reason you feel that they are terrorists is because they have
then its time I left this thread. Sorry guys but I'm not prepared to discuss matters like this with people like that when the only bones of their argument is the colour of peoples skin.
I leave in disgust
a very nice sun tan
I leave in disgust
Suspicion breeds confidence
To quote Mr Spock freely
I think we've beaten this one to death now, so I'm off, thanks for an interesting debate everyone (even you Pr00ne).
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, or the few
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What I'm against is keeping people detained without trial and without legal representation for extended periods, and with no evidence
As has been said, if only the weather was better we could be a Third World country....
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To those who note similarities between events in UK and USA today and those in Germany in the 1930s, I would reply that the similarities are hugely outweighed by a fundamental difference. Blair and Bush and their advisers are accountable periodically to their electorates - Blair quite soon. I do not recall that Adolf Hitler was ever elected by the general public (although he might well have been!)
Elected or not....he did have a bit of support from within and from outside his government....and as I recall....at least one group that felt he needed to go, cared enough to put a bomb in his map room....and paid a horrible price for failure.
I see we brought home a 19 year old soldier from a foxhole grave....after 60 years....only 78,000 more remain missing from that war. American missing that is....eqivalent to about six full infantry divisions. But...that is a topic for another thread.
I see we brought home a 19 year old soldier from a foxhole grave....after 60 years....only 78,000 more remain missing from that war. American missing that is....eqivalent to about six full infantry divisions. But...that is a topic for another thread.
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OK... Here we have a guy with no formal qualifications, he had become an aimless drifter and failed artist before joining the army on the outbreak of war in August 1914. There he was not considered worthy of promotion because of 'a lack of leadership qualities', although his award of the Iron Cross First Class showed that he did not lack courage.
Yet during the next 26 years he succeeded in gaining and exercising supreme power in Germany and, in the process, arguably had more impact on the history of the world in the 20th century than any other political figure. So, that is why he was a great leader. He succesfully led the entire German people to follow him into war.
anyway, why are we discussing this tyrant when the thread is about British citizens being released by the USA?
Yet during the next 26 years he succeeded in gaining and exercising supreme power in Germany and, in the process, arguably had more impact on the history of the world in the 20th century than any other political figure. So, that is why he was a great leader. He succesfully led the entire German people to follow him into war.
anyway, why are we discussing this tyrant when the thread is about British citizens being released by the USA?
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SASLess in particular-
Do you honestly think that bombing innocent people (it doesn’t matter to their family whether it was accidental or ‘collateral damage’), detaining people without trial and enacting draconian laws which limit freedoms will actually make you any safer??
Wake up!!
Try looking at international news sources rather than American ones.
Do you honestly think that bombing innocent people (it doesn’t matter to their family whether it was accidental or ‘collateral damage’), detaining people without trial and enacting draconian laws which limit freedoms will actually make you any safer??
Wake up!!
Try looking at international news sources rather than American ones.
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Hitler
Here we have a guy with no formal qualifications, he had become an aimless drifter and failed artist before joining the army on the outbreak of war in August 1914. There he was not considered worthy of promotion because of 'a lack of leadership qualities', although his award of the Iron Cross First Class showed that he did not lack courage.
...yeah, a great man indeed
