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Does that mean the Merlin will be heading east soon? Thread Starter
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Ok, so there is no truth in the buzz I heard that the IPT has announced that they can only support a maximum of 8 Merlin, ie 4 front line and 4 for training, and that the rest would be stored till further notice with merlin personel being scattered around the rest of the navy?
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I think you've answered your original question
"So, who wants to tell us all the Merlin Gossip then?............"
It looks like you do!
Sweep complete - how refreshing to hear someone else is fed up of the b@ll@x that usually pervades this sort of thread. I thought the military forum was going to be renamed "we all hate merlins"
I think you've answered your original question
"So, who wants to tell us all the Merlin Gossip then?............"
It looks like you do!
Sweep complete - how refreshing to hear someone else is fed up of the b@ll@x that usually pervades this sort of thread. I thought the military forum was going to be renamed "we all hate merlins"
Suspicion breeds confidence
The RN intends to re-role the CVS into mini strike carriers operating increased numbers of GR7/9s. Its more than likely that the Merlins will be hived off to RFAs on a permanent basis. Its slighlty ironic that a platform originally intended to carry helos ousted from the last generation of attack carriers is undergoing the same experience itself.
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Lets face it. At the end of the day this aircraft has been the biggest waste of money I have ever seen. The Merlin is a disgrace and no amount of defending it will convince me of its worth. It cost an absolute fortune and since delivery it has sat in the hangar and rotted away unservicable. I'd hate to know how many hours we have flown on the beast since delivery but I bet its a real shocker. The procurement peope should hang their heads in shame at this white elephant. We should find out who is to blame for this blatant and absolutely disgusting waste of money and name and shame them.
I heard a rumour yesterday that to return the aircraft to full flying servicability and at the same build standard will cost the tax payer in IRO £840 Million. And thats on top of the £45 million EACH they cost. A disgrace, an absolute disgrace.
I heard a rumour yesterday that to return the aircraft to full flying servicability and at the same build standard will cost the tax payer in IRO £840 Million. And thats on top of the £45 million EACH they cost. A disgrace, an absolute disgrace.
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hyd3failure,
" It cost an absolute fortune and since delivery it has sat in the hangar and rotted away unservicable."
If it has had the bad entry into service and 'rotted away unservicable' how come I fly them on a regular basis....?
Me thinks you talk from your a**e!!
" It cost an absolute fortune and since delivery it has sat in the hangar and rotted away unservicable."
If it has had the bad entry into service and 'rotted away unservicable' how come I fly them on a regular basis....?
Me thinks you talk from your a**e!!
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Please tell me that westlands are paying you to spout this cr@p
When you say that you fly them on a regular basis, do you mean once a month? I suppose thats regular..........
You just have to talk to anyone at Culdrose to know that things are coming to breaking point.
Please tell me that westlands are paying you to spout this cr@p
When you say that you fly them on a regular basis, do you mean once a month? I suppose thats regular..........
You just have to talk to anyone at Culdrose to know that things are coming to breaking point.
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I am of course only coming on this thread by invitation.
Most in the RN know who I am and if hyd3failure had an ounce of true Merlin knowledge he would realise that his posts are most definitely ignorant.
I have 500 hours on Merlin many of which in testing it to the limit around the world. It is by far and away the BEST helicopter we have in Service at present taken as a package.
I have tested both the Sea King and Merlin to the deck and the Merlin is far superior. Whilst some may criticise particular area of the flight envelope or clearance much of this has been brought on by the modern safety first culture that we now live in. Legacy aircraft have many get out clauses - new one's do not. Hence the Chinnook Mk3 fiasco.
Before you slag off this aircraft the Canadian Armed Forces are hugely up beat about it in the SAR role and they have racked up 1,000s of flying hours in a short space of time.
The main problem in the RN has been an underestimation of the support required of such a modern all singing and all dancing aircraft. The £840m you mention is not to bring current aircraft up to speed it is in fact a full upgrade program(CSP) to the avionics, systems and flight controls (which will make this a fly by light aircraft).
Your short sighted (probably Lynx views) are typical of the misleading scorn poured on this aircraft. Whilst I don't think Merlin(US101) will win the US Presidential race, it has been such a SERIOUS contender to rattle Sikorsky and make them play the Foreign card.
I personally have nothing against the Lynx and note with satisfaction that Merlin chaps do not sit on this network slagging off that force. As is usual when people feel threatened (or jealous) they like to slag of the other guy (see Sikorsky above).
Lets face the facts.
We need a mix of modern and up to date aircraft. With more money we get all we want. That is never going to happen and compromises have to be made. If you have Carriers you need big maritme aircraft to support and protect it- Merlin does this job.
All talk of Merlins and CVS are spurious. Sea King ASW were kicked off way before Merlin arrived and as someone keenly pointed ut earlier its the stores and support setup with GR7 that does it not the other way around.
As with many threads on here we should avoid the shouting and slagging especially intra-service.
The Grey fleet is small and on the whole effective. Personally I will be glad to go back.
Oh and by the way - lets keep recruiting together.
Most in the RN know who I am and if hyd3failure had an ounce of true Merlin knowledge he would realise that his posts are most definitely ignorant.
I have 500 hours on Merlin many of which in testing it to the limit around the world. It is by far and away the BEST helicopter we have in Service at present taken as a package.
I have tested both the Sea King and Merlin to the deck and the Merlin is far superior. Whilst some may criticise particular area of the flight envelope or clearance much of this has been brought on by the modern safety first culture that we now live in. Legacy aircraft have many get out clauses - new one's do not. Hence the Chinnook Mk3 fiasco.
Before you slag off this aircraft the Canadian Armed Forces are hugely up beat about it in the SAR role and they have racked up 1,000s of flying hours in a short space of time.
The main problem in the RN has been an underestimation of the support required of such a modern all singing and all dancing aircraft. The £840m you mention is not to bring current aircraft up to speed it is in fact a full upgrade program(CSP) to the avionics, systems and flight controls (which will make this a fly by light aircraft).
Your short sighted (probably Lynx views) are typical of the misleading scorn poured on this aircraft. Whilst I don't think Merlin(US101) will win the US Presidential race, it has been such a SERIOUS contender to rattle Sikorsky and make them play the Foreign card.
I personally have nothing against the Lynx and note with satisfaction that Merlin chaps do not sit on this network slagging off that force. As is usual when people feel threatened (or jealous) they like to slag of the other guy (see Sikorsky above).
Lets face the facts.
We need a mix of modern and up to date aircraft. With more money we get all we want. That is never going to happen and compromises have to be made. If you have Carriers you need big maritme aircraft to support and protect it- Merlin does this job.
All talk of Merlins and CVS are spurious. Sea King ASW were kicked off way before Merlin arrived and as someone keenly pointed ut earlier its the stores and support setup with GR7 that does it not the other way around.
As with many threads on here we should avoid the shouting and slagging especially intra-service.
The Grey fleet is small and on the whole effective. Personally I will be glad to go back.
Oh and by the way - lets keep recruiting together.
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Si Clik... WELL SAID SIR
I am almost loathe to read any Merlin threads on pprune these days as you can guarantee that no matter what the original thread was, it will be hijacked by those wishing to slag off the aircraft with their ignorant, mis-informed drivel. We all know it has problems, but some of the c**p that gets posted on here makes me wonder about the people who write it.
I can only agree that feeling threatened and jealousy play a big part in this - and unfortunately these feeling are obviously on the agenda with some the Navy's seniors who really should know better
I am almost loathe to read any Merlin threads on pprune these days as you can guarantee that no matter what the original thread was, it will be hijacked by those wishing to slag off the aircraft with their ignorant, mis-informed drivel. We all know it has problems, but some of the c**p that gets posted on here makes me wonder about the people who write it.
I can only agree that feeling threatened and jealousy play a big part in this - and unfortunately these feeling are obviously on the agenda with some the Navy's seniors who really should know better
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I have no doubt what so ever that Merlin is a first class state of the art aircraft - When it is servicable !!! When is it going to be serviceable BTW?
I have just one dit to mention. During the visit of a Very senior FAA Officer to a ship he asked ...
"how is the Merlin/Lynx co-op going?"
Reply....
"Its going great Sir, There U/S, we fly ashore to get spares for them, bring the stores back, there still U/S. Thats the Co-Op" !
Enuff said.
I'm sorry but if I had paid that amount of money for an aircraft I'd want the bloomin thing servicable!
Yeah, Right. So which weapon does it use to take out the asymetric threat?
I have just one dit to mention. During the visit of a Very senior FAA Officer to a ship he asked ...
"how is the Merlin/Lynx co-op going?"
Reply....
"Its going great Sir, There U/S, we fly ashore to get spares for them, bring the stores back, there still U/S. Thats the Co-Op" !
Enuff said.
I'm sorry but if I had paid that amount of money for an aircraft I'd want the bloomin thing servicable!
If you have Carriers you need big maritme aircraft to support and protect it- Merlin does this job.
I think Navaleye has a point!
(there Navaleye, I said it)
Also, why is it that, out of a buy of 44, the 2 CVS Sqn's have a complement of 4 each and will do apparantely until well into the second half of this decade?
6 operational on 829 for use on T23's..........
14 front line operational frames? What with tiny little SHAR flight sized squadrons that they couldn't man, what is happening to the FAA?
(there Navaleye, I said it)
Also, why is it that, out of a buy of 44, the 2 CVS Sqn's have a complement of 4 each and will do apparantely until well into the second half of this decade?
6 operational on 829 for use on T23's..........
14 front line operational frames? What with tiny little SHAR flight sized squadrons that they couldn't man, what is happening to the FAA?
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"Yeah, Right. So which weapon does it use to take out the asymetric threat?"
This coming from an aircraft that still compiles the surface plot on their lap using coloured pens? Does your Nav system still run on Dopple's too?
"Yeah, Right. So which weapon does it use to take out the asymetric threat?"
This coming from an aircraft that still compiles the surface plot on their lap using coloured pens? Does your Nav system still run on Dopple's too?