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Hyd 3:-
"Flying hours, Experience has nothing to do with it. Its all down to seniority."
That is soooooooo wrong. Experience has everything to do with it. Whilst they are the rules, it is true, when it comes to multi million pound aircraft and flight safety, we should put seniority on the back burner and employ the best man for the job. (Which isn't a Fishead who's only done half of a front-line tour, then swan'd off to drive a mine-hunter....)
"Flying hours, Experience has nothing to do with it. Its all down to seniority."
That is soooooooo wrong. Experience has everything to do with it. Whilst they are the rules, it is true, when it comes to multi million pound aircraft and flight safety, we should put seniority on the back burner and employ the best man for the job. (Which isn't a Fishead who's only done half of a front-line tour, then swan'd off to drive a mine-hunter....)
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Jeeze guys, read what he is writing.
Hyd3 was replying to a comment from Bismark stating
He was correcting a statement that the senior person has more experience, saying that is not necesarily the case. He then STATED the RN position, not necesarily his own.
I read
as...
RN policy is that flying hours, experience has nothing to do with it. Its all down to seniority.
Or was I reading it wrong
MadMark!!!
Hyd3 was replying to a comment from Bismark stating
In the RN it is generally accepted that the senior chap will be a/c captain as he is normally the most experienced aviator.
I read
Flying hours, Experience has nothing to do with it. Its all down to seniority.
RN policy is that flying hours, experience has nothing to do with it. Its all down to seniority.
Or was I reading it wrong
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Ok. An example.
Lieutenant A Bloggs. Fishead, ex OOW completes Flying training does a year as Flight pilot then he is Flight Commander. He has approx 400 hours.
Lieutenant Gazs hand: Joined to fly straight from school. Done 2/3 tours. 1500 hours BUT he is junior to Lt Bloggs.
Of those 2 guys the Aircraft commander would be Bloggs as he is senior. He is less experienced but experience has nothing to do with command.
That sort of scenario is not fiction. It happens all the time. and quite rightly so.
That may well be how you feel but sadly its not going to happen. The A/C is the most senior, The End !
Lieutenant A Bloggs. Fishead, ex OOW completes Flying training does a year as Flight pilot then he is Flight Commander. He has approx 400 hours.
Lieutenant Gazs hand: Joined to fly straight from school. Done 2/3 tours. 1500 hours BUT he is junior to Lt Bloggs.
Of those 2 guys the Aircraft commander would be Bloggs as he is senior. He is less experienced but experience has nothing to do with command.
That sort of scenario is not fiction. It happens all the time. and quite rightly so.
when it comes to multi million pound aircraft and flight safety, we should put seniority on the back burner and employ the best man for the job.
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Well thanks for clearing that up, Mad_Mark!
To quote the rules "In the RN the senior aircrew officer is normally to be the Aircraft Commander"
The grey areas are "senior" and "normally"
Seniority is what Fisheads get excited about for their pecking order in the Navy List.
normally is so grey as to be almost ignorable.
In our experience, the "best person for the job at hand" is usually made the Aircraft Commander - or are we wrong?
To quote the rules "In the RN the senior aircrew officer is normally to be the Aircraft Commander"
The grey areas are "senior" and "normally"
Seniority is what Fisheads get excited about for their pecking order in the Navy List.
normally is so grey as to be almost ignorable.
In our experience, the "best person for the job at hand" is usually made the Aircraft Commander - or are we wrong?
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So, lets give the responsibility to the least experienced, and let the specialised professional career aviators sit on their hands, 'cos it's not a very important task is it............?
Thank God I'm in a community with very few Fisheads.........
Thank God I'm in a community with very few Fisheads.........
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IMHO - claptrap. There are many, many occasions where the most Senior, is not necessarily the best placed to Command, and experience is just one of the factors which must be considered for each sortie.
IMHO - claptrap. There are many, many occasions where the most Senior, is not necessarily the best placed to Command, and experience is just one of the factors which must be considered for each sortie.
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As a FLOBS and aircraft captain I rarely had any difficulty working amicably and efficiently with the pilots I flew with.
On the rare occasion that the pilot got too confident I found that a couple of minutes of silence would do the trick as he aimlessly piloted around the skies not knowing what the f*%k was really happening.
Having left 4 years ago, done my ATPL's and got a job on a 737 I'm glad to say I've yet to encounter any difficult captains on the flight deck.
By the way we're not pussers or fishheads either
As for sexual deviation I think you'll find the largest closet located at a Kipper base up North
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On the rare occasion that the pilot got too confident I found that a couple of minutes of silence would do the trick as he aimlessly piloted around the skies not knowing what the f*%k was really happening.
Having left 4 years ago, done my ATPL's and got a job on a 737 I'm glad to say I've yet to encounter any difficult captains on the flight deck.
By the way we're not pussers or fishheads either
As for sexual deviation I think you'll find the largest closet located at a Kipper base up North
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Im not saying that the rules we have at the moment are correct or right. But they are the rules... I quote from an unclassifed document.
The Aircraft commander is defined as the aircrew in overall charge of and responsible for.....etc etc etc .
In the RN the senior aircrew officer is to be the aircraft commander.
Thats it. End of dit. Now, I don't always agree with the rule as I agree there are times when experience should dictate who is AC But in th RN its the senior bod who gets to do it.
Yes you are
The Aircraft commander is defined as the aircrew in overall charge of and responsible for.....etc etc etc .
In the RN the senior aircrew officer is to be the aircraft commander.
Thats it. End of dit. Now, I don't always agree with the rule as I agree there are times when experience should dictate who is AC But in th RN its the senior bod who gets to do it.
By the way we're not pussers or fishheads either
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Haddock suede? Is that like a leather cod, surely you mean Swede sir?
Senior aircrew officer is correct, although the pilot retains the right not to place the aircraft into unnecessary danger (flight safety).
Even if the senior officer is the LHS replacement for a bag of Blue Circle......
Senior aircrew officer is correct, although the pilot retains the right not to place the aircraft into unnecessary danger (flight safety).
Even if the senior officer is the LHS replacement for a bag of Blue Circle......
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Just something I've noticed
James T Kirk was the captain, yet we didn't see him poling the Enterprise around.
And neither does Jean Luc...........
And no, I'm not sticking up for back end captains. I've had some very good back end captains. They let the pilots take charge of all the flying and aircraft bits, and they themselves got on with the aircraft's real job, but carry the can if it all goes t*ts.
That's how it works on the kipper fleet and it seems the right way to me, but then I haven't flown on any other fleets.
RR
James T Kirk was the captain, yet we didn't see him poling the Enterprise around.
And neither does Jean Luc...........
And no, I'm not sticking up for back end captains. I've had some very good back end captains. They let the pilots take charge of all the flying and aircraft bits, and they themselves got on with the aircraft's real job, but carry the can if it all goes t*ts.
That's how it works on the kipper fleet and it seems the right way to me, but then I haven't flown on any other fleets.
RR
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Why are the kippers called kippers?
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You are MISQUOTING the u/c document
Once more with feeling
"In the RN the senior aircrew officer is NORMALLY to be the Aircraft Commander"
...allowing (in the finest traditions of the service) flexibility and common sense to be applied to unusual circumstances
You are MISQUOTING the u/c document
Once more with feeling
"In the RN the senior aircrew officer is NORMALLY to be the Aircraft Commander"
...allowing (in the finest traditions of the service) flexibility and common sense to be applied to unusual circumstances
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Why are the kippers called kippers?