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Mike, I think you will find that Ginseng was not refering to those doing the dirty, but to the innocent other halfs, one of which, if I have read this thread correctly, is another serving officer, who may well read this site 
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If the innocent third party reads this website, he/she may well find some comfort in the fact that there are still serving members with some code of morales. I support those who have voiced objections to this behaviour, as IMHO there is no room for it in the armed forces.
I am not sure what planet Ginseng is on for his comments will only inflame the thread, but perhaps that is his/her intention anyway.
I am not sure what planet Ginseng is on for his comments will only inflame the thread, but perhaps that is his/her intention anyway.
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Oh no, I haven't gone away.
Mad_Mark: Thank goodness for someone who can actually understand what they read. Thankyou.
MikeHegland: Apology accepted.
As for the rest of you, your replies say far more about you than about anything else.
And now I will withdraw with good grace, since all that is worth saying, and much that is not, has already been said.
Ginseng
Mad_Mark: Thank goodness for someone who can actually understand what they read. Thankyou.
MikeHegland: Apology accepted.
As for the rest of you, your replies say far more about you than about anything else.
And now I will withdraw with good grace, since all that is worth saying, and much that is not, has already been said.
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When does this behaviour become 'Bringing the Air Force into disrepute'? I'm sure other people have been CHARGED with lesser crimes than having the RAF spread across the front page of a national newspaper in this manner. A 24 hour posting may be a punishment, but surely it's not as 'official' as a being charged. (or don't wg cdr and sqn ldrs get charged?)
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But it's not what he (allegedly) did, but with whom he did it! And that's where comparisons with BB and Peter H fall down. In both their cases, the "other woman" was a civvy.
Not only was this not so in this case, but the "other woman" was a serving officer, and wife of a serving officer. Most importantly (IMHO), she was his direct subordinate - he was her 1st RO for pity's sake. No tendency to overmark there then!
And I think Peter H would have got away with it these days .... if you recall the details, it was a journo stitchup that made it public - quelle surprise!
Not only was this not so in this case, but the "other woman" was a serving officer, and wife of a serving officer. Most importantly (IMHO), she was his direct subordinate - he was her 1st RO for pity's sake. No tendency to overmark there then!
And I think Peter H would have got away with it these days .... if you recall the details, it was a journo stitchup that made it public - quelle surprise!
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Two Tunnels,
The very fact that it has got into the papers, the fact that the RAF press office are making statements and just the very nature of 'the offence' means it is bringing the RAF into disrepute. Do you think that Joe Public will NOT think poorly of a Wg Cdr Sqn Boss and one of his Flt Cdrs? Come on, of course they do. Even most civvies that I know have commented on it showing the RAF in a bad light, and other such comments.
Ginseng, go away and get a life (and don't you go reading any nasty old stories that might upset you)
Tiger_mate - I think your correct, I personally know the 'old man' of the female Flt cdr, and he is a top bloke, without question. I am sure that he will take some comfort in knowing that most people like myself are pretty disgusted and saddened by what has happened.
Kind regards to all
The Swinging Monkey
The very fact that it has got into the papers, the fact that the RAF press office are making statements and just the very nature of 'the offence' means it is bringing the RAF into disrepute. Do you think that Joe Public will NOT think poorly of a Wg Cdr Sqn Boss and one of his Flt Cdrs? Come on, of course they do. Even most civvies that I know have commented on it showing the RAF in a bad light, and other such comments.
Ginseng, go away and get a life (and don't you go reading any nasty old stories that might upset you)
Tiger_mate - I think your correct, I personally know the 'old man' of the female Flt cdr, and he is a top bloke, without question. I am sure that he will take some comfort in knowing that most people like myself are pretty disgusted and saddened by what has happened.
Kind regards to all
The Swinging Monkey
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Well, at the end of the day it seems it is not only the end of a good mans career but also his marriage which is very sad. However, before indulging in this affair, he/they knew the consequences of his/her/their actions and in some respects he is lucky he still has a job. In my company he would have been out on his ear and would probably not work for a similar company again.
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The fact that the Services view screwing a brother officer's wife with disgust is for a very good reason. It breaks down morale and teamwork.
My (ex)wife was screwing one of my cadets at Cranwell. He was a u/t nav by the time that I found out about it. My pride wouldn't let me denounce him to the authorities. I moved into the Mess and he moved into my house. One day I went to visit my kids. They let me into the house where I discovered all his uniforms etc hanging in my wardrobe. I took a knife and pair of scissors to all his shirts, trousers and anything else of his that I could find.
The next thing I find that I'm up in front of my boss being threatened with 1021 for damaging his uniform!
And because he was precious aircrew sweet fa was done to him.
I certainly learnt about double standards from that!
PS. My wife eventually married him and got divorced relatively soon thereafter. My ex and I are now on very good terms and she reckons that he was a total prat and it was the worst decision she has ever made.
Name and Shame? xxxxx - formerly a Phantom nav.
Edited to take out the name in case he gets upset and sues me!
My (ex)wife was screwing one of my cadets at Cranwell. He was a u/t nav by the time that I found out about it. My pride wouldn't let me denounce him to the authorities. I moved into the Mess and he moved into my house. One day I went to visit my kids. They let me into the house where I discovered all his uniforms etc hanging in my wardrobe. I took a knife and pair of scissors to all his shirts, trousers and anything else of his that I could find.
The next thing I find that I'm up in front of my boss being threatened with 1021 for damaging his uniform!
And because he was precious aircrew sweet fa was done to him.
I certainly learnt about double standards from that!
PS. My wife eventually married him and got divorced relatively soon thereafter. My ex and I are now on very good terms and she reckons that he was a total prat and it was the worst decision she has ever made.
Name and Shame? xxxxx - formerly a Phantom nav.
Edited to take out the name in case he gets upset and sues me!
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Mike,
you have got me confused Sir.
I have just been reading some of your 'dodgy' posts ref the Skiing holiday, during which you suggest (and certainly want) us to believe that you are a serving Officer. Your latest comment on this forum suggests otherwise??................
'In my company he would have been out on his ear and would probably not work for a similar company again'
Now come on Mike, be a man and tell us pray....
Are you RAF or are you someone who wants to be with us 'Big Boys'???
Notwithstanding your possible occupation, I happen to agree with your comments on this forum at least!!
Kind regards to all
The Swinging Monkey
you have got me confused Sir.
I have just been reading some of your 'dodgy' posts ref the Skiing holiday, during which you suggest (and certainly want) us to believe that you are a serving Officer. Your latest comment on this forum suggests otherwise??................
'In my company he would have been out on his ear and would probably not work for a similar company again'
Now come on Mike, be a man and tell us pray....
Are you RAF or are you someone who wants to be with us 'Big Boys'???
Notwithstanding your possible occupation, I happen to agree with your comments on this forum at least!!
Kind regards to all
The Swinging Monkey
