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Out of interest, how much does a Flt LT aircrew earn all in, at the end of his first tour these days? £45, 50k?
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MOD web site lists Flt Lt pay (with 4 years service) as approx £35000 + £12500 flying pay (max) + other allowances. BSA for example up to 4000+ per term. Together with generous pension/gratuity terms does not seem unreasonable. However as I said earlier I believe there should be some major re-alignment with regard to rewards for high risk operations. Such operations and those actually at risk needs to be very much more clearly defined than at present. Award of medals should have the same scrutiny and defenitions. Please let us reward the "front line" people and stop the "jollies" to theatre to qualify for medals should they be granted.
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I recently did a short survey of a Flt Lt RAF, a Flt Lt RAAF and a USAF Capt (all O-3),with 9 years commissioned service, qualified Pilot, 'Aircraft Commander', 3000 hours; deployed to Operational area 2 months of the year and visiting an Operational area on 2 other occasions, during different months.
Their ANNUAL TAKE-HOME PAY looked something like this:
RAF: £32453.00
USAF: $72046.00 (without retention pay)
AT £1.00 = $1.9: £37919.00
RAAF: AUS$76860.00
AT £1.00 = AUS$2.44 £31500.00
When you factor-in the cost of living, the deployment rates, the age of the aircraft, etc etc, I know where I'd rather be, and it's sunny there.
Their ANNUAL TAKE-HOME PAY looked something like this:
RAF: £32453.00
USAF: $72046.00 (without retention pay)
AT £1.00 = $1.9: £37919.00
RAAF: AUS$76860.00
AT £1.00 = AUS$2.44 £31500.00
When you factor-in the cost of living, the deployment rates, the age of the aircraft, etc etc, I know where I'd rather be, and it's sunny there.
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On the subject of medals. I watched a bunch of my mates come home in the back of a C-17 last week three years after some of them qualified for the AFGAN gong for operational flying. Most of them still hadn't been awarded it, yet there are hundreds of (no disrespect intended) blunties sporting thiers. What's that all about??????????
On the subject of medals. I watched a bunch of my mates come home in the back of a C-17 last week three years after some of them qualified for the AFGAN gong for operational flying. Most of them still hadn't been awarded it, yet there are hundreds of (no disrespect intended) blunties sporting thiers. What's that all about??????????
D-IFF, are your figures accurate? I'm sure that the gross annual basic salary for a Flt Lt with a couple of years in the rank is around £32 000, but with 9 years' service, plus being combat ready, he should at least have £4 500 initial rate flying pay to stick on top of that, plus another couple of increments. Must be closer to £38 000 in the situation you describe.
If you're referring to take-home pay as net post-tax etc pay (sorry, not terribly familiar with the terms) surely it must be less than that?
Unless another couple of increments plus middle/top rate flying pay are going to send my pay to the sort of levels where I take home £32kpa, in which case thanks for the pleasant surprise
If you're referring to take-home pay as net post-tax etc pay (sorry, not terribly familiar with the terms) surely it must be less than that?
Unless another couple of increments plus middle/top rate flying pay are going to send my pay to the sort of levels where I take home £32kpa, in which case thanks for the pleasant surprise
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On the issue of medals the OP Telic medal was awarded to "aircrew" who flew in and out of Kuwait between certain dates.. But the Air stewards and Ground Engineers who were on the same aircraft did not qualify.. a special case had to be submitted, awhich I belive has now been resolved.
The reason I was told by the medal cell is the requirements for the medal is drawn up by the Army?
Plus while I am on my box ..Why do we have to apply for medals ourselves ?? why do the blunties not know who should be awarded them...AND why are they presented in the Sqn registry by a JNCO clerk???
I have 6 medals and none presented properley not even LSGCM ..
Rant over... lets hope for a good payrise. I will be happy with 20%.....in my dreams
The reason I was told by the medal cell is the requirements for the medal is drawn up by the Army?
Plus while I am on my box ..Why do we have to apply for medals ourselves ?? why do the blunties not know who should be awarded them...AND why are they presented in the Sqn registry by a JNCO clerk???
I have 6 medals and none presented properley not even LSGCM ..
Rant over... lets hope for a good payrise. I will be happy with 20%.....in my dreams
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That is correct but they got one out in the UAE...How far?..and I hear that the was an admin cell inside insworth that also qualified...will someone pass me the rules of engagement please!
Presumably the Akrotiri schoolies didn't get it this time.....
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It is in your hand guys and gals to do something about the blatant injusticies. If the only weapon you have is to embarrass the senior staff then use it to it's full. those who have received something they have no "right" to hate publicity. In any event it really is incumbent upon you to ensure the value of medals is not destroyed by blatant abuse of the system. So post some examples. New thread if you like. Just for the record, I am ex mil, I dislike low flying and I have no time for the whingers (in any walk of life). I believe very strongly there should be proper reward and proper recognition for those who actually earn it.
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We probably should have a new thread on medals but while the debate is raging on this thread my favourite medal anecdote (goes back some years) is:
Troopship on its way from Blighty to somewhere well to the East taking a battalion of the Welsh Guards to an exercise. Stops in Suez - some lads get laid and catch a dose. Dose only becomes apparent as ship nears Singapore so squaddies are off-loaded into the local British Medical Hospital for treatment. Rest of Battalion complete exercise and collect the now fully recovered squaddies on the return trip. Now at the time the Malayan insurgency campaign was in full flow and - you guessed it - the squaddies qualified for the GSM Malaya medal during their enforced lay-over. The rest of the battalion did not and were distinctly unimpressed!
Troopship on its way from Blighty to somewhere well to the East taking a battalion of the Welsh Guards to an exercise. Stops in Suez - some lads get laid and catch a dose. Dose only becomes apparent as ship nears Singapore so squaddies are off-loaded into the local British Medical Hospital for treatment. Rest of Battalion complete exercise and collect the now fully recovered squaddies on the return trip. Now at the time the Malayan insurgency campaign was in full flow and - you guessed it - the squaddies qualified for the GSM Malaya medal during their enforced lay-over. The rest of the battalion did not and were distinctly unimpressed!
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If you were with the comedy camping club, then u dont deserve one. You would think the amatuer camping clowns had won the war themselves the way they 'bleat' on.
If you were with the comedy camping club, then u dont deserve one. You would think the amatuer camping clowns had won the war themselves the way they 'bleat' on.
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'Plus while I am on my box ..Why do we have to apply for medals ourselves ?? why do the blunties not know who should be awarded them...AND why are they presented in the Sqn registry by a JNCO clerk??? '
You have to apply for them yourselves because no-one has funded a system that can accurately tell where everyone is or where they’ve been - funding priorities lie further towards the punchy end. As for being presented with your medals, that is a Command Issue so have I hope your not blaming that on the blunties. If there is a problem then (guessing from your log in) it lies with Engineering Officers (whom I assume you don't count as blunt as your either TG1or 2 and don't count yourself as blunt) and Aircrew Officers.
By the way anyone think that the medals offices that issue these (not manned by Service personnel) have been given any significant increase in resources to cope with Tony's love of medal earning opportunities for our gallant armed forces.
'Plus while I am on my box ..Why do we have to apply for medals ourselves ?? why do the blunties not know who should be awarded them...AND why are they presented in the Sqn registry by a JNCO clerk??? '
You have to apply for them yourselves because no-one has funded a system that can accurately tell where everyone is or where they’ve been - funding priorities lie further towards the punchy end. As for being presented with your medals, that is a Command Issue so have I hope your not blaming that on the blunties. If there is a problem then (guessing from your log in) it lies with Engineering Officers (whom I assume you don't count as blunt as your either TG1or 2 and don't count yourself as blunt) and Aircrew Officers.
By the way anyone think that the medals offices that issue these (not manned by Service personnel) have been given any significant increase in resources to cope with Tony's love of medal earning opportunities for our gallant armed forces.
Have they stopped the nonsense of "Here is your medal, congratulations. And you're not allowed to wear it" which went on with the Kuwaiti and Saudi medals post-GW1?
Used to annoy me seeing spams wearing them when the UK military wasn't allowed to..... Nothing against the spams, I hasten to add, but everything against the faceless people who wouldn't allow us to wear medals legitimately presented by the rulers of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
Used to annoy me seeing spams wearing them when the UK military wasn't allowed to..... Nothing against the spams, I hasten to add, but everything against the faceless people who wouldn't allow us to wear medals legitimately presented by the rulers of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
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But BEags old chap disallowing the wearing of medals presented by foreign governments is part and parcel of the preservation of the quality of our medals. Can't have cake and eat it!
And yes it still happens - presented a NATO Medal the other day to a matelot who had driven a ship on Active Endeavour the NATO Article V operation that is on-going in the Med. It is a counter-terrorist operation but UK view is that it is not sufficiently arduous or dangerous to merit the wearing of the award - and they're right.
And yes it still happens - presented a NATO Medal the other day to a matelot who had driven a ship on Active Endeavour the NATO Article V operation that is on-going in the Med. It is a counter-terrorist operation but UK view is that it is not sufficiently arduous or dangerous to merit the wearing of the award - and they're right.
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You have to apply for them yourselves because no-one has funded a system that can accurately tell where everyone is or where they’ve been - funding priorities lie further towards the punchy end
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