Flt Sgt doing gate guard duty?!
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Frankly,
Having witnessed Flt Sgts' checking numptys' passes on the main gate, I find it astounding that the "grownups" see fit to pay up to £46k a year for his services !!!
That's right, £46k is the top wack that a Flt Sgt can earn these days, check the pay scales.
What a waste of taxpayers money and how innefficient it is?
No problems with doing grd cdr however, any jnco worth his salt should be doing that one too.
What a waste.
Ginge.
Having witnessed Flt Sgts' checking numptys' passes on the main gate, I find it astounding that the "grownups" see fit to pay up to £46k a year for his services !!!
That's right, £46k is the top wack that a Flt Sgt can earn these days, check the pay scales.
What a waste of taxpayers money and how innefficient it is?
No problems with doing grd cdr however, any jnco worth his salt should be doing that one too.
What a waste.
Ginge.
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I am a fat bald chief and I do guard as required. It seems that every time I am promoted my new rank is included in the guarding rosters soon after.
It is a conspiracy to sap my morale.
I don't mind doing my bit for Q and C but feel that I could be doing more productive things with my time.
Then again Guard gives me time to polish my head and eat pies so it is not all bad.
fatbaldandoften'BarrierupBarrierdown'
It is a conspiracy to sap my morale.
I don't mind doing my bit for Q and C but feel that I could be doing more productive things with my time.
Then again Guard gives me time to polish my head and eat pies so it is not all bad.
fatbaldandoften'BarrierupBarrierdown'
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I recall a few years ago now, the Shawbury Station Commander appearing at the Guard Room on Xmas Day bearing a bottle of Glenmorangie's finest. Guard commander pointed out that loaded SLRs and p1ssed airmen don't mix so Stn Cdr bid a merry farewell and disappeared, bottle still in hand. I hope he enjoyed it!
I recall a few years ago now, the Shawbury Station Commander appearing at the Guard Room on Xmas Day bearing a bottle of Glenmorangie's finest. Guard commander pointed out that loaded SLRs and p1ssed airmen don't mix so Stn Cdr bid a merry farewell and disappeared, bottle still in hand. I hope he enjoyed it!
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The main gate at Innsworth is manned by SNCOs 24/7. Obviously there are not enough JRs there to do it. The Sgt on the gate told me that he does it for 1 week in every 10.
As we spoke, 20 yds away in the MGR was a MOD plod eating up the hrs and minutes of the day entering personal and car data into a pc (using only 2 fingers of course) so that the visitors can all have nicely printed temporary passes to show the SNCO on the gate and impress the mobile RAFplods on the unit.
The time taken for a visitor to park his car 50 yds away in the vistors car park, get to the front of the lengthy queue (caused by the MOD plod and his pc), walk back to the car and get to the SNCO was clearly longer than the time that the SNCO (MOD plod, preferrably) would have taken to hand write the same info at the gate itself.
Total cost to the tax payer: 60K a year at least.
Brilliant, system......f@@king brilliant.
As we spoke, 20 yds away in the MGR was a MOD plod eating up the hrs and minutes of the day entering personal and car data into a pc (using only 2 fingers of course) so that the visitors can all have nicely printed temporary passes to show the SNCO on the gate and impress the mobile RAFplods on the unit.
The time taken for a visitor to park his car 50 yds away in the vistors car park, get to the front of the lengthy queue (caused by the MOD plod and his pc), walk back to the car and get to the SNCO was clearly longer than the time that the SNCO (MOD plod, preferrably) would have taken to hand write the same info at the gate itself.
Total cost to the tax payer: 60K a year at least.
Brilliant, system......f@@king brilliant.
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The rank system needs looked at, particularly with regard to responsibilities. It may have been appropriate for a SNCO to act as guard commander back in the days when there were lots of bodies - that is not the case nowadays. If an Army Corporal can act as section commander, why can't a RAF Corporal act as guard commander?
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When I did flying training, the officers did guard duty at Shawbury. Only last year, the station decided that all junior officers would qualify for that duty if the security alert stayed high for a bit longer. I had to tell my spec aircrew officers, some with 30 years service the good news. They would have been working for a SNCO Guard Commander. (Not rumour by the way.)
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You're talking out of your @r$e!!! I am NCA, I also completed GST1 & TMT1 as it was then, and I also spent 12 years taking my turn on guard duty. After 18 years I think I know enough about service life. By the way I also dislike small-minded individuals who believe that because you are NCA you found your tapes in a corn flake box.
You're talking out of your @r$e!!! I am NCA, I also completed GST1 & TMT1 as it was then, and I also spent 12 years taking my turn on guard duty. After 18 years I think I know enough about service life. By the way I also dislike small-minded individuals who believe that because you are NCA you found your tapes in a corn flake box.
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Hear! Hear! Sideshow 
NCA earn their rank in the same way that the officer brethren do, by passing an intensive training course, and many of us after spending several years as groundcrew. Many of you commissioned types may be surprised to hear that IOT and AAITC are very similiar both physically and academically. Obviously officers need to be taught how to use a knife, fork and spoon and spend more time learning thier primary role, that of being a career officer (i.e. how to s#!t on your men to get advancement
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KPax, you really are a CR(S) tw@
MadMark!!!
NCA earn their rank in the same way that the officer brethren do, by passing an intensive training course, and many of us after spending several years as groundcrew. Many of you commissioned types may be surprised to hear that IOT and AAITC are very similiar both physically and academically. Obviously officers need to be taught how to use a knife, fork and spoon and spend more time learning thier primary role, that of being a career officer (i.e. how to s#!t on your men to get advancement
).KPax, you really are a CR(S) tw@
MadMark!!!
I have worked with NCA for nearly 30 years now and have nothing but the utmost respect for them, however when you do the IMLC & AMLC and you have very senior GD officers saying that it is a great concern that the NCA don't do these courses. Some may think that they are a load of twaddle however getting 24 FS's on one course proved a real eye opener. The other concerns that these officers had was having spent a long time on a squadron you then faced a ground tour where you were reporting on JR's, now I am not saying you know nothing about report writing (who does), but the Gp Capt who briefed us said 'it is one of our priorities to get ALL SNCO's on to the AMLC & IMLC. However when it comes down to it we are all part of the team and I do not wish to offend anyone, so if I have pls accept my apologies. PS Merry Xmas and a Guid New Year.
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you have very senior GD officers saying that it is a great concern that the NCA don't do these courses
MadMark!!!
NCA have not come up through the ranks, have not got "hands-on" experience and do not get there SNCO status through competitive promotion amongst there peers.
Maybe thats why terms like "Real" SNCO exist.
The flying brevet works both ways.
Maybe thats why terms like "Real" SNCO exist.
The flying brevet works both ways.
This is not supposed to be a contest. All I am trying to put across is that the NCA have a different set of skills and training that CAN on occasion leave them at a slight disadvantage when they go on a ground tour. I have no doubt that the C130 rear crew have plenty of hands on experience with JR's.
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Yet another to$$er talking cr@p. I have come up through the ranks, I have "hands-on" experience, and I believe OASC is one of the biggest competitions for enhancing your career in the RAF, you are not only competing against your own trade but the rest of the airforce and civilians too. What's a matter did you not make it through selection or were you simply not good enough to be even considered. I didn't know the term "Real" SNCO and "Plastic" SNCO actually existed in the RAF, I thought it was just made up by jealous small minded individuals who didn't have the gumption to get off their backsides and do the hard work to further their careers
Yet another to$$er talking cr@p. I have come up through the ranks, I have "hands-on" experience, and I believe OASC is one of the biggest competitions for enhancing your career in the RAF, you are not only competing against your own trade but the rest of the airforce and civilians too. What's a matter did you not make it through selection or were you simply not good enough to be even considered. I didn't know the term "Real" SNCO and "Plastic" SNCO actually existed in the RAF, I thought it was just made up by jealous small minded individuals who didn't have the gumption to get off their backsides and do the hard work to further their careers
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Do you mean non NCA peers? How would that work then?
Oh dear, I had better tell the desk officers that my last two promotions are worthless.............and my elevation onto the PA spine................and my top level of flying pay......oh the shame of it all....and I worked so hard to get here
NCA left the old time promotion system in favour of competitive promotion some years ago my good fellow. Best check your facts.
To qualify for promotion we have to pass our command management training courses (Part1 - Sgt to FS, Part2 FS to MACR).
and do not get there SNCO status through competitive promotion amongst there peers.
Oh dear, I had better tell the desk officers that my last two promotions are worthless.............and my elevation onto the PA spine................and my top level of flying pay......oh the shame of it all....and I worked so hard to get here
NCA left the old time promotion system in favour of competitive promotion some years ago my good fellow. Best check your facts.
To qualify for promotion we have to pass our command management training courses (Part1 - Sgt to FS, Part2 FS to MACR).
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Is this about Gate guards or playground NCA bashing?
Sorry lost the thread me.
If you want to bash the flying snecks please start a 'Lets Bash the NCA' thread.
FatbaldandlovesallSNCO'sequally
Sorry lost the thread me.
If you want to bash the flying snecks please start a 'Lets Bash the NCA' thread.
FatbaldandlovesallSNCO'sequally
: hmmm: Touchy or what, nothing changes then.
Nobody said you Slideshow Bob, but seeing you’re being so pleasant I will give you the respect you deserve and ignore you completely.
To the rest:
I said in general, In fact I will qualify that and say in my experience of NCA.
And if it is competitive promotion to Sgt (I didn't mention above that rank) then I apologize, I must have missed something.
I am not "anti" NCA as it happens; far from it, worked with you long enough to know that. It’s a different skill set you guys possess in my opinion that’s all. One that does not, or should not preclude you from doing the gate. (Again in my experience many NCA seem to think there flying status should preclude them from doing the gate.)
But ok Anita Bush seeing your so rich, its your round again
Still beats me how they pay someone £100 a day and shove him on the gate though. Bet that would not happen in a civvy company.
Nobody said you Slideshow Bob, but seeing you’re being so pleasant I will give you the respect you deserve and ignore you completely.
To the rest:
I said in general, In fact I will qualify that and say in my experience of NCA.
And if it is competitive promotion to Sgt (I didn't mention above that rank) then I apologize, I must have missed something.
I am not "anti" NCA as it happens; far from it, worked with you long enough to know that. It’s a different skill set you guys possess in my opinion that’s all. One that does not, or should not preclude you from doing the gate. (Again in my experience many NCA seem to think there flying status should preclude them from doing the gate.)
But ok Anita Bush seeing your so rich, its your round again
Still beats me how they pay someone £100 a day and shove him on the gate though. Bet that would not happen in a civvy company.