Anyone fancy a pint?
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Anyone fancy a pint?
Looky here..................
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...259181,00.html
Any glorious Aviators care to confess all their related sins?
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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...259181,00.html
Any glorious Aviators care to confess all their related sins?
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Also here, with all the background:
See Here
It's the last bit that bears particular note, about the actual limits, which are one quarter for pilots that they are for drivers. This guy was perfectly 'safe' to drive to work, but not to fly. How many people are out there still in a job but for the grace of God after a few beers the night before ...
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It's the last bit that bears particular note, about the actual limits, which are one quarter for pilots that they are for drivers. This guy was perfectly 'safe' to drive to work, but not to fly. How many people are out there still in a job but for the grace of God after a few beers the night before ...
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I'm not condoning it, but assuming that he reported for work 8 hours after his last drink, and that he had a normal metabolic rate, what amount must he have consumed?
As the legal limit for pilots and cabin crew in the UK is 20 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood then, to answer AA's question (unfortunate initials AA), he would probably have needed to cosume 140 and 180 mgs of alcohol as the body metabolises alcohol at the rate of around 15 - 20 mgs per 100 ml of blood per hour (dependent on body mass).
Or, to put it another way, 5 pints = 10 units = 2 units of alcohol still jigging around the body 8 hours later. Not that much, really, is it, AA?
Or, to put it another way, 5 pints = 10 units = 2 units of alcohol still jigging around the body 8 hours later. Not that much, really, is it, AA?
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About 5 pints of Stella would do it. Given that the average rate at which our livers can clean out alcohol is 1 unit per hour.
By my, admittedly crap, maths reckoning that would put you over the limit if you'd finished your last pint of "beater" 8 hours earlier. That said though, one would have to have been knocking it back quite quickly for that equation to work...add a couple of whiskey chasers and that should do the trick.
Just seen JAFO has beaten me to it with his much more convincing post, although glad to see we came up with similar figures.
By my, admittedly crap, maths reckoning that would put you over the limit if you'd finished your last pint of "beater" 8 hours earlier. That said though, one would have to have been knocking it back quite quickly for that equation to work...add a couple of whiskey chasers and that should do the trick.
Just seen JAFO has beaten me to it with his much more convincing post, although glad to see we came up with similar figures.
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However, assuming our thirsty flyer had entered the bar several hours earlier, he could have consumed seven pints - say if he'd started drinking 12 hours before reporting?
That's a lot, and far more than I ever have had before a working day.
That's a lot, and far more than I ever have had before a working day.
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That was my intention Insty but the input has been interesting anyway.
People are too shy/scared/embarrassed/PC to confess to any misdoings nowadays.
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People are too shy/scared/embarrassed/PC to confess to any misdoings nowadays.
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Already getting a good airing here
I would take issue with the bloody journos describing a man who had a few yesterday lunchtime, being 60% of the legal driving limit the following morning, as 'DRUNK.'
He obvoiously wasn't. He probably had no idea that he'd be over the new 20mg limit after so long.
Just shows how low it is. Be careful out ther
I would take issue with the bloody journos describing a man who had a few yesterday lunchtime, being 60% of the legal driving limit the following morning, as 'DRUNK.'
He obvoiously wasn't. He probably had no idea that he'd be over the new 20mg limit after so long.
Just shows how low it is. Be careful out ther
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Hello Chaps
Love the thread and i think there is so much to it. Anybody like the idea that we should get together over a beer and discuss such things? I am happy tro arrange a venue to mmake sure we all DO IT !
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Love the thread and i think there is so much to it. Anybody like the idea that we should get together over a beer and discuss such things? I am happy tro arrange a venue to mmake sure we all DO IT !
send me a PM
kind regards
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Arkroyal,
You are dead right if it were me - and it wasn't - I would be sueing for demfamation of character he clearly was not drunk by any reasonable man test.
You are dead right if it were me - and it wasn't - I would be sueing for demfamation of character he clearly was not drunk by any reasonable man test.
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In the rail industry they started with a zero reading for alcohol in the blood, but after testing several high profile members of the board, they realised that the body will naturally produce a certain amount of alcohol. people who have been T total have tested positive for alcohol, all be it a miniscule amount. The cut off level was then adjusted.
A crew driving in to fly at one well-known detachment were breath-tested by the RAFP and found to be over the local drink-driving limit, so had to leave the car. But they then went flying anyway.
It was hardly surprising that they were over the limit; it was their culture to stay up partying until the wee small hours, then stagger out of bed at the last possible moment before going off on yet another 'groundhog day' sortie.
Amateur cowboys- but that's what you get when you let a specialist cadre select its own new rat-pack members from within the squadron. Thankfully those days are long gone.
It was hardly surprising that they were over the limit; it was their culture to stay up partying until the wee small hours, then stagger out of bed at the last possible moment before going off on yet another 'groundhog day' sortie.
Amateur cowboys- but that's what you get when you let a specialist cadre select its own new rat-pack members from within the squadron. Thankfully those days are long gone.
