Future Lynx
Joined: Aug 2001
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From: SW England
VP does seem to be very well informed. Am I right in thinking there is a Lynx P in your title or have you been moved to main building recently?
Rant on.
Bearing in mind what happened today and previously this year I can't help but think that the DECs need to pull their collective fingers out and buy something to replace the shagged out Lynx.
These operators strap the Lynx to their backs every day knowing that the cab could fall out of the sky at any time. Don't get me wrong the Lynx is a great small ship flight A/C but we should have procured somehing back when LLUH was on the table.
If its built at Wastelands then jobs are secured good arguement but WHL have the license to build lots of lovely cabs more suitable for the Army than FLynx.
FLynx is a WHL propaganda exercise, it doesn't and never will meet either BLUH/SCMR or the BRH URD. A lot of work has been carried out by the DPA and WHL to change the FLynx but its the best thing WHL make for the job.
If they had bothered to develop something suitable in the first place rather than trying to prop up their dodgy arms deals then we might have got somewhere.
Expect to see a couple of dozen very expensive FLynx sat in a storage hangar in 10 years time being polished by WHL IOS experts, whilst the current legacy A/C is still soldiering on.
Rant off.
Rant on.
Bearing in mind what happened today and previously this year I can't help but think that the DECs need to pull their collective fingers out and buy something to replace the shagged out Lynx.
These operators strap the Lynx to their backs every day knowing that the cab could fall out of the sky at any time. Don't get me wrong the Lynx is a great small ship flight A/C but we should have procured somehing back when LLUH was on the table.
If its built at Wastelands then jobs are secured good arguement but WHL have the license to build lots of lovely cabs more suitable for the Army than FLynx.
FLynx is a WHL propaganda exercise, it doesn't and never will meet either BLUH/SCMR or the BRH URD. A lot of work has been carried out by the DPA and WHL to change the FLynx but its the best thing WHL make for the job.
If they had bothered to develop something suitable in the first place rather than trying to prop up their dodgy arms deals then we might have got somewhere.
Expect to see a couple of dozen very expensive FLynx sat in a storage hangar in 10 years time being polished by WHL IOS experts, whilst the current legacy A/C is still soldiering on.
Rant off.
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 429
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From: West Wiltshire, UK
Not anywhere near as close to the "centre" as you suspect, Funky Monkey, just a reasonably well-connected person associated with a certain well-known establishment on a flatt-ish bit of central southern England...............
I agree about the political bits re: a certain indigenous rotorcraft manufacturer though. Buying from them just to keep them in business is wholly wrong, unless they actually deliver the best bit of kit for the price.
What's the betting that any future purchase decision will be driven by politicians, rather than all those hard-working bods who have spent a couple of years trying to evaluate the best option?
From what I've seen, procurement doesn't fail because the procurers get it wrong, it nearly always fails because the decisions get skewed by high level political influence, leaving the procurers with impossible programmes to run.
I agree about the political bits re: a certain indigenous rotorcraft manufacturer though. Buying from them just to keep them in business is wholly wrong, unless they actually deliver the best bit of kit for the price.
What's the betting that any future purchase decision will be driven by politicians, rather than all those hard-working bods who have spent a couple of years trying to evaluate the best option?
From what I've seen, procurement doesn't fail because the procurers get it wrong, it nearly always fails because the decisions get skewed by high level political influence, leaving the procurers with impossible programmes to run.
Joined: Apr 2000
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From: EGDC
So what does the AAC actually need? It's got it's AH anti tank capability but needs RAF SH to support it as the Lynx has a pitiful USL or internal freight capability.
It also needs recce helicopters which do not need to be as big or thirsty as the Lynx. So leave the SH stuff to RAF SH and buy more Chinooks and procure a light, fast BRH for the recce.
The only problem is that other than war-fighting and exercises the AAC would not be deployed as their kit would be too specialised. By continuing with a Lynx replacement philosophy DAAVn are able to maintain the size and strength of the AAC and continue to have their non-AH crews as jack-of-all-trades and master of none. The Lynx will never be an SH machine although it's shedloads of fun to fly.
Having seen the SABRSAR circus have meetings, steering groups and roadshows, only to go round in circles as the goalpost kept moving and eventually evolve into SARH which will doubtless turn the same tricks without ever making any decisions, I am holding out little hope for something useful coming out of BLUH, FLYNX etc.
It also needs recce helicopters which do not need to be as big or thirsty as the Lynx. So leave the SH stuff to RAF SH and buy more Chinooks and procure a light, fast BRH for the recce.
The only problem is that other than war-fighting and exercises the AAC would not be deployed as their kit would be too specialised. By continuing with a Lynx replacement philosophy DAAVn are able to maintain the size and strength of the AAC and continue to have their non-AH crews as jack-of-all-trades and master of none. The Lynx will never be an SH machine although it's shedloads of fun to fly.
Having seen the SABRSAR circus have meetings, steering groups and roadshows, only to go round in circles as the goalpost kept moving and eventually evolve into SARH which will doubtless turn the same tricks without ever making any decisions, I am holding out little hope for something useful coming out of BLUH, FLYNX etc.
