Smoking ban in the Mess?
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Smoking ban in the Mess?
Now we have had the Goverment's 'way ahead' regarding smoking, will we be able to designate the Officers' and SNCO Messes as 'private clubs' to avoid being subjected to the will of an Orwellian socialist nanny state?
For those who would welcome a ban on smoking, believe its worth bearing in my mind that this is just the start of things to come - not too far down the 'health scare' list is alcohol abuse!
For those who would welcome a ban on smoking, believe its worth bearing in my mind that this is just the start of things to come - not too far down the 'health scare' list is alcohol abuse!
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I think the main point is in order to save the poor steward and barmen / women from having to breath in passive smoke.
90% of the stuff this Government interfere in I disagree with, however on smoking I'm all for it.
90% of the stuff this Government interfere in I disagree with, however on smoking I'm all for it.
Here, here!
I work in an environment where more smoke than not..and there's no legislation to curb it. We non-puffers have to leave the comfortable, warm but smoke-filled crewroom, and go into an unheated room with wood-rot! Great huh?
I work in an environment where more smoke than not..and there's no legislation to curb it. We non-puffers have to leave the comfortable, warm but smoke-filled crewroom, and go into an unheated room with wood-rot! Great huh?
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Hueymeister - at least you have shelter from the elements - the vast majority of smokers have to indulge their habit outside, regardless of the weather. Or will that be banned too, in case we catch too many colds.... looking for the cotton wool to wrap myself up in....
There's a year or two before this becomes law, so why not start now by banning smoking on ALL training courses?
Knocking this vile habit out of all newcomers would be one thing, but for the committed addict it's not so easy.
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Knocking this vile habit out of all newcomers would be one thing, but for the committed addict it's not so easy.
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I agree. I am not currently serving in the the forces (I hope to one day) but have spent a lot of time in the (RAF) Officers mess, and the amount of pilots in particular that seem to smoke is phenominal! Each to their own I guess, but when it comes to health and fitness and the amount of money that is spent on them, one wonder's if they would be the best/most investable people for the job... 
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one wonder's if they would be the best/most investable people for the job...
Looking also at people 30-40, times where different in the 70's and 80's, the dangers weren't aswell known and smoking wasn't seen in such a bad light.
On the other side of the coin however, those who have chosen not to smoke should be free to avoid this habit of others, without having to move outside/next door to get away from it.
Given the choice, i'd rather have the smokers (those who have chosen to pollute themselves) outside, as supposed to those who aren't getting any say in what's polluting their bodies due to the guy 2 seats down lighting up.
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To the original poster, the sooner they ban smoking in public places the better, end of story. I feel that your reference to "alcohol abuse" is a little contrived.....someone else being drunk in the bar does not pose a direct health risk to anyone else in the bar, whereas passive smoking does. Fair enough, people who do drink to excess cause different problems but rarely anything that cant be sorted out by removing said individual to his/her room.
I dont think it is unnecessary govt intervention, in fact I think it is one of their more sensible social policies, smoking is anti social for the vast majority, particularly in the services who dont partake. Whilst currently living somewhere where smoking is banned in public places, it makes for a much more pleasant evening not being in a smokey bar and waking up to find that your clothes dont stink of someone elses fags.....rant over
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I dont think it is unnecessary govt intervention, in fact I think it is one of their more sensible social policies, smoking is anti social for the vast majority, particularly in the services who dont partake. Whilst currently living somewhere where smoking is banned in public places, it makes for a much more pleasant evening not being in a smokey bar and waking up to find that your clothes dont stink of someone elses fags.....rant over
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Surely these government sanctioned anti-smoking rules will have as little place as licensing laws within the mess.
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Smoking has been banned here in public places in Moose Jaw for a while now both in town and also in the Mess. I don't mind the ban at all. The smokers just go outside and have a puff while the rest of us can have a drink without the smoky atmosphere. There was some grumbling to start with, but that has died down and it's ops normal now.
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A proper Gentlemen's Cub has a smoking room. Those using it are also expected to dress appropriately in a smoking jacket. On special occasions such as Dining In nights, smoking may also be permitted in the ante-room once the port has been passed.
Are Messes attracting a socially inferior class of member these days? Eh, What?
Are Messes attracting a socially inferior class of member these days? Eh, What?
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Smoking has been banned here in public places in Moose Jaw for a while now both in town and also in the Mess.
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I'm a smoker. Our mess is non-smoking and it isn't an issue. Actually quite nice to have a drink in a clean environment and when I feel the need for a tab I just pop outside onto the patio. Smokers and non-smokers both have rights except I respect that I shouldn't blow my stuff on others.
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Good point about the drinking as well. In the RN we positively support drinking. Anyone who has been or served on a ship will have noticed that the mess is dominated by a bar. We are expected to live in the bar - thats our home !!!! And the Junior ratings fare even worse when they are presented with 3 cans of DF beer a day....!!!
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Smoking -next alcohol abuse !
YellowBelly: you made a point here that`s got me thinking re: alcohol abuse. Jeeez ! how the hell are we to steady our nerves when the going gets going ? Tell that to the Russians and you`ll be shot.
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4fitter RE: Smokers and non-smokers both have rights except I respect that I shouldn\'t blow my stuff on others. Yeah..fitter,I quite agree with you,problem is who should leave the room ? I think pprune will agree that you leave and go outside for fresh air as you are the complainant.
Cheers.
hope it`s not raining,you`ll have to take a brolly with you & should it get flooded you`ll need your wellies and don`t forget to take them off before you go...beware the rudderman,when the moon is very fat.
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4fitter RE: Smokers and non-smokers both have rights except I respect that I shouldn\'t blow my stuff on others. Yeah..fitter,I quite agree with you,problem is who should leave the room ? I think pprune will agree that you leave and go outside for fresh air as you are the complainant.
Cheers.
hope it`s not raining,you`ll have to take a brolly with you & should it get flooded you`ll need your wellies and don`t forget to take them off before you go...beware the rudderman,when the moon is very fat.
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Smoking has been banned across a number of messes already. In most cases a senior member of the mess (normally the Stn Cdr or an Exec) proposes the action at an AGM, and its been carried in every mess I can think of!
When it comes to the vote it gets carried by a large majority - it hasn't affected the mess at all.(In fact it makes some people come out more now its smoke free) However, the smokers did have to go outside in the rain before the little smokers area was created!
When it comes to the vote it gets carried by a large majority - it hasn't affected the mess at all.(In fact it makes some people come out more now its smoke free) However, the smokers did have to go outside in the rain before the little smokers area was created!