RAF officers to join gay pride march
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Well put....... 
Yeah great publicity. You can just imagine the flouncing horses hoofs will all be arriving in their tutus and signing up in droves, or whatever you call a group of, um, ........ gay gentlemen.
Meanwhile the regular guys who might've been interested in a career in the RAF have seen the pink advertising and decided to change teams, as it were, and head across the hallway to the green machine rather than sign up for the sweaty all-out muscle-dude-frenzy Enurpp Stolip is obviously working himself up over.
Whether the publicity was considered bad or good, it was still superb publicity none the less.
Yeah great publicity. You can just imagine the flouncing horses hoofs will all be arriving in their tutus and signing up in droves, or whatever you call a group of, um, ........ gay gentlemen.
Meanwhile the regular guys who might've been interested in a career in the RAF have seen the pink advertising and decided to change teams, as it were, and head across the hallway to the green machine rather than sign up for the sweaty all-out muscle-dude-frenzy Enurpp Stolip is obviously working himself up over.
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If anyone is attending a Gay Pride carnival during the winter months, I still have an original full length Crombie greatcoat for sale - it comes complete with Sqn Ldr ranking plus an armband for funerals - tailored to fit a strappimg lad or lass with 40" chest, 35" waist depending what they are wearing underneath.
Snip at £180 or nearest offer
Snip at £180 or nearest offer
I find it shocking that there are still a number of posters on this thread who feel the need to tap us on the collective shoulder like a liberal conscience and make little 'tut-tut' sounds of warning about 'homophobia' or other such cr*p.
This is the banter, get used to it. If you support the doctrine of the whingeing politically-correct lobby, then look elsewhere, DON'T READ THIS THREAD!
Good points made so far about how this situation can only be damaging the RAF's reputation. How can we be taken seriously when we pull stunts like this and claim to be an equal opportunities employer, and then fail to register a presence at the next meeting for disabled black Communists in Birmingham?
I would love to hear the MoD's response to a request from all us red-blooded RAF males to get offical jobs as ushers at the next Miss world contest - in uniform! (After all, you see them working at Wimbledon.)
DOUBLE STANDARDS AND HYPOCRISY!
This is the banter, get used to it. If you support the doctrine of the whingeing politically-correct lobby, then look elsewhere, DON'T READ THIS THREAD!
Good points made so far about how this situation can only be damaging the RAF's reputation. How can we be taken seriously when we pull stunts like this and claim to be an equal opportunities employer, and then fail to register a presence at the next meeting for disabled black Communists in Birmingham?
I would love to hear the MoD's response to a request from all us red-blooded RAF males to get offical jobs as ushers at the next Miss world contest - in uniform! (After all, you see them working at Wimbledon.)
DOUBLE STANDARDS AND HYPOCRISY!
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I wonder how heterosexual men would take to being routinely referred to as "fishy fanny pokers" or something equally puerile? Yeah, mildly amusing, but a bit pathetic (and also, a bit of a generalisation, seeing as many heterosexual men practice anal sex and even more would, if they could get any).
If, in this case, "banter" means enough lame puns and $hite jokes to fill a series of Graham Norton, then let the banter roll on
If, in this case, "banter" means enough lame puns and $hite jokes to fill a series of Graham Norton, then let the banter roll on
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As a lifetime subscriber to the PPRuNE, I feel compelled to express my disappointment that you have chosen to print a complaint from one of those nancy boys intent on corrupting every bone and rippling sinew of our youngsters' bodies. It fills me with disgust to imagine the sweating craved cavortings of such lust filled throbbing sex monsters. I stand firm and proud against such licentious behaviour and only hope that in future you shall endeavour to banish any further communication from people whose only joy in life is to obtrusively and perniciously inveigle their despicable vices into the hearts and minds of lithe, pert, voluptuous and writhing orgasmic bodies melting uncontrollably in the uninhibited thrashings of steaming pulsating sex.
Excuse me while I mop this up.
Colonel Jock Stiffly
With apologies to the Daily Reckless www.dailyreckless.co.uk
As a lifetime subscriber to the PPRuNE, I feel compelled to express my disappointment that you have chosen to print a complaint from one of those nancy boys intent on corrupting every bone and rippling sinew of our youngsters' bodies. It fills me with disgust to imagine the sweating craved cavortings of such lust filled throbbing sex monsters. I stand firm and proud against such licentious behaviour and only hope that in future you shall endeavour to banish any further communication from people whose only joy in life is to obtrusively and perniciously inveigle their despicable vices into the hearts and minds of lithe, pert, voluptuous and writhing orgasmic bodies melting uncontrollably in the uninhibited thrashings of steaming pulsating sex.
Excuse me while I mop this up.
Colonel Jock Stiffly
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I presume the chaps who equate homosexuality with buggery and thus too, too awful to contemplate are or have been serving members of HM the Q's armed forces, and thus are or have been trained, equipped and expected to go out and blow (no, not like that) the living daylights out of people, when appropriate.
I find the idea of violently killing people rather more upsetting than the idea of consensual sodomy.
Now, I'm very glad that HM the Q's armed forces exist, and fully support the idea that when it comes to the crunch we can get out there and do it to them before they do it to us. I can cope with upsetting ideas, if that's the way the world is.
But I am surprised that those who consider homosexuality profoundly unnatural (which, given that it's widespread in the animal kingdom, it ain't) are so at ease with the idea of extreme violence. Doesn't that seem a strange set of priorities?
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I find the idea of violently killing people rather more upsetting than the idea of consensual sodomy.
Now, I'm very glad that HM the Q's armed forces exist, and fully support the idea that when it comes to the crunch we can get out there and do it to them before they do it to us. I can cope with upsetting ideas, if that's the way the world is.
But I am surprised that those who consider homosexuality profoundly unnatural (which, given that it's widespread in the animal kingdom, it ain't) are so at ease with the idea of extreme violence. Doesn't that seem a strange set of priorities?
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Just trying to follow your argument -
If something is "widespread in the animal kingdom", that makes it natural for humans?
Paedophilia and incest are both widespread in the 'human kingdom.' Does that make either of them natural?
Bestiality used to be widespread in country areas, but seems to be a less popular pastime than it was. Does that mean it used to be natural?
If something is "widespread in the animal kingdom", that makes it natural for humans?
Paedophilia and incest are both widespread in the 'human kingdom.' Does that make either of them natural?
Bestiality used to be widespread in country areas, but seems to be a less popular pastime than it was. Does that mean it used to be natural?
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I'm just trying to follow your logic. I'm not sure there are eqivalents to paedophilia or incest in the animal kingdom. Certainly in the 'human kingdom' paedophilia is unacceptable and reprehensible, because one party is incapable of consenting. Interestingly, the Victorians introduced the laws banning consensual incest, not for high moral reasons, but to prevent genetic defects.
One thing is for sure: in the 'human kingdom' anal sex is widespread, full stop. In fact, I would venture to suggest that straight people, percentage-wise, have more anal sex than gays do (I'll look up the stats one day, if I can be bothered). After all, gay sex is less involved with the act of penetration. That's what being kinky is all about: thinking up creative and unusual ways to get off. With straight people, you basically have to put it in a hole down there somewhere, or things just don't count as sex.
I'm just trying to follow your logic. I'm not sure there are eqivalents to paedophilia or incest in the animal kingdom. Certainly in the 'human kingdom' paedophilia is unacceptable and reprehensible, because one party is incapable of consenting. Interestingly, the Victorians introduced the laws banning consensual incest, not for high moral reasons, but to prevent genetic defects.
One thing is for sure: in the 'human kingdom' anal sex is widespread, full stop. In fact, I would venture to suggest that straight people, percentage-wise, have more anal sex than gays do (I'll look up the stats one day, if I can be bothered). After all, gay sex is less involved with the act of penetration. That's what being kinky is all about: thinking up creative and unusual ways to get off. With straight people, you basically have to put it in a hole down there somewhere, or things just don't count as sex.
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I suspect the views of the "reasonable" pro/anti participation parties are not too far apart. However, the more virtual gay bashing that others indulge in, the more likely we are to see "sexuality awareness" lessons (and maybe even role-play!) introduced to RAF equal opportunities training, with annual attendance made compulsory!
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Just asking questions to try to follow SLF's 'widespread in animal kingdom = natural for humans' argument which puzzled me, not advancing one myself.
BTW, although Parliament has decided (rightly IMHO) for policy reasons that children are considered in law to be incapable of consenting, but that doesn't mean they are in fact incapable.
Just asking questions to try to follow SLF's 'widespread in animal kingdom = natural for humans' argument which puzzled me, not advancing one myself.
BTW, although Parliament has decided (rightly IMHO) for policy reasons that children are considered in law to be incapable of consenting, but that doesn't mean they are in fact incapable.
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I suppose the argument goes, if it happens in nature, it isn't a man-made phenomenon, ergo, it is natural. Although, as humans, we have the power of reasoning, in matters of sex, we are pretty much driven by our animal instincts. We have developed rules of conduct, so that our sexual urges are not forced upon those who cannot consent (children, the severely mentally defective and animals), do not consent (in the case of rape) or where there is a high probability sexual intercourse will cause genetic defects (ie incest). Of course, there are other layers of more complex rules, which protect public modesty and ensure sexual activity remains a private matter between consenting adults.
Regarding children, I think Parliament assumed the obvious. How is a child, who has not developed sexually and is therefore incapable of properly understanding sex, capable of consenting to sexual activity? As for those who have passed puberty, an arbitrary age line had to be drawn and 16 is it.
I suppose the argument goes, if it happens in nature, it isn't a man-made phenomenon, ergo, it is natural. Although, as humans, we have the power of reasoning, in matters of sex, we are pretty much driven by our animal instincts. We have developed rules of conduct, so that our sexual urges are not forced upon those who cannot consent (children, the severely mentally defective and animals), do not consent (in the case of rape) or where there is a high probability sexual intercourse will cause genetic defects (ie incest). Of course, there are other layers of more complex rules, which protect public modesty and ensure sexual activity remains a private matter between consenting adults.
Regarding children, I think Parliament assumed the obvious. How is a child, who has not developed sexually and is therefore incapable of properly understanding sex, capable of consenting to sexual activity? As for those who have passed puberty, an arbitrary age line had to be drawn and 16 is it.
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Nice to see the Army are still into 'natural' sex . . .
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004410590,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004410590,00.html
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I left the RAF about a year ago and I find it quite sad that the recruiters have to involve themselves in this sort of occasion. The Mil I belive is a hetro' organisation (normal), and supporting or seen to support a gay pride march is against its working ethos. There will always be gays in the mil, but I do not belive that the time is right for it to be accepted as a 'normal practice/lifestyle, which has been enforced on the mil, against common wishes. So why have the recruiters been such A****s?
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Normal is one thing but it appears active promotion of this 'big voice, minority' is the way its going to be. What a sad day for the Air Force.
When can we expect the PC bullies to tell us what to think next?
Freedom of views is one thing but the breeding of mankind to ensure our future is a tad more fundemental. How many chaps have given birth to our future out their bottoms? Oops, i suppose I'll be judged as homphobic because I dont enjoy shopping for clothes and have an opinion about everthing on the planet due to the fact that I push the chocolate up hill.
Do gay men box and drive Aston Martins?
When can we expect the PC bullies to tell us what to think next?
Freedom of views is one thing but the breeding of mankind to ensure our future is a tad more fundemental. How many chaps have given birth to our future out their bottoms? Oops, i suppose I'll be judged as homphobic because I dont enjoy shopping for clothes and have an opinion about everthing on the planet due to the fact that I push the chocolate up hill.
Do gay men box and drive Aston Martins?
different perspective...
Ex-RAF truckie (secret LYN airbase) here.
Sticking to point. It would be hypocritical of me to denounce the Manchester Pride Parade - & RAF recruiter - contingent, but I can''t honestly that I support it.
The service is , and will always be, pretty homophobic. Shame, because there is an over-representation of gays in the services.
I understand that. Had a great time at the secret Wilts airbase in the early 80's, played my cards , and lost. I had the CSRO (wth R-to-I) and Ashord courses under my belt so was able to deflect all the usual questions...
So interesting, though, that they wanted to know everything about the civi barstaff and my bachelor reporting officers. Dirty minds, working overtime.
Eventually worked my way to the colonies - US passport n'all...and zero regrets because I've made more money than an Air Vice Mashall every year since.
About to compete in IAC Sportsman category in an Extra 300 and Pitts S2C.
To ground this post - I'm not sure that anybody cares that I leave the airfield to go home to my [male] partner of 16 yrs...
Sticking to point. It would be hypocritical of me to denounce the Manchester Pride Parade - & RAF recruiter - contingent, but I can''t honestly that I support it.
The service is , and will always be, pretty homophobic. Shame, because there is an over-representation of gays in the services.
I understand that. Had a great time at the secret Wilts airbase in the early 80's, played my cards , and lost. I had the CSRO (wth R-to-I) and Ashord courses under my belt so was able to deflect all the usual questions...
So interesting, though, that they wanted to know everything about the civi barstaff and my bachelor reporting officers. Dirty minds, working overtime.
Eventually worked my way to the colonies - US passport n'all...and zero regrets because I've made more money than an Air Vice Mashall every year since.
About to compete in IAC Sportsman category in an Extra 300 and Pitts S2C.
To ground this post - I'm not sure that anybody cares that I leave the airfield to go home to my [male] partner of 16 yrs...
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D.P is that you? Hello mate nice to hear youre doing well. I would love to say attitudes have changed greatly since you left......but unfortunately I cant . Not all of us are "phobes" against anyone different, and not all of us are scared of the dark. In these enlightened times it saddens me to see the hysteria in some of the posts on this topic . And there was me thinking its a brave new world.
At the mandatory Equal ops Trg a couple of the "oldies" completely lost it when homosexuality was even mentioned, so really what do you expect, its going to take a looong time before attitudes change.
At the mandatory Equal ops Trg a couple of the "oldies" completely lost it when homosexuality was even mentioned, so really what do you expect, its going to take a looong time before attitudes change.
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If you've only ever had sex for "the breeding of mankind to ensure our future", then you either have a very big family or a very dull sex life (I'm guessing the latter). Gay sex does not produce "breeding", but then, neither does the majority of heterosexual sex (remember, straight people practice an awful lot of contraception and anal sex). And, to its credit, gay sex has never produced a Hitler, a Stalin or a Bin Laden.
If gay men are so stereotypical, how come big butch straight men like you can't spot them in their own squadron, platoon or division?
If you've only ever had sex for "the breeding of mankind to ensure our future", then you either have a very big family or a very dull sex life (I'm guessing the latter). Gay sex does not produce "breeding", but then, neither does the majority of heterosexual sex (remember, straight people practice an awful lot of contraception and anal sex). And, to its credit, gay sex has never produced a Hitler, a Stalin or a Bin Laden.
If gay men are so stereotypical, how come big butch straight men like you can't spot them in their own squadron, platoon or division?