Typhoon - first RAF overseas deployment
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Dunno.
But do know that:
A third Typhoon T.1 left for Cyprus this morning ...
Ascot/Rafair 9591 ZJ806 BE of 29(R) Sqdn left Warton for Akrotiri on 29/06/04
This aircraft was the ground spare at Warton for the pair that left for Cyprus on Sunday ...
Ascot/Rafair 9589 ZJ807 BF of 29(R) Sqdn left Warton for Akrotiri on 27/06/04
Ascot/Rafair 9590 ZJ805 AD of 17(R) Sqdn left Warton for Akrotiri on 27/06/04
EPI??????????????????????????
But do know that:
A third Typhoon T.1 left for Cyprus this morning ...
Ascot/Rafair 9591 ZJ806 BE of 29(R) Sqdn left Warton for Akrotiri on 29/06/04
This aircraft was the ground spare at Warton for the pair that left for Cyprus on Sunday ...
Ascot/Rafair 9589 ZJ807 BF of 29(R) Sqdn left Warton for Akrotiri on 27/06/04
Ascot/Rafair 9590 ZJ805 AD of 17(R) Sqdn left Warton for Akrotiri on 27/06/04
EPI??????????????????????????
2 Typhoons left Akrotiri this morning - and very impressive they were too. Rumour has it that the Lightning gate guard may soon be replaced as we appear to have something a bit newer and equally as serviceable as the Lightning...
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I sometimes read the Daily Mail. I prefer The Independent as it happens. Sometimes, The Times sometimes the Daily Telegraph.
I made it quite clear on my post that I am not Military.
I have the ability to read and therefore, because of my love of aviation, I have read much about Typhoon.
So I was simply asking for comments regarding the article in the Blackpool Gazette. The reason, because it didn't seem to add up vs. what I have read about.
There was no hidden agenda, no intention to cause upset.
I'd better stay out of the Military room in future. Seems that asking a reasonable question and being polite doesn't fit in.
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I sometimes read the Daily Mail. I prefer The Independent as it happens. Sometimes, The Times sometimes the Daily Telegraph.
I made it quite clear on my post that I am not Military.
I have the ability to read and therefore, because of my love of aviation, I have read much about Typhoon.
So I was simply asking for comments regarding the article in the Blackpool Gazette. The reason, because it didn't seem to add up vs. what I have read about.
There was no hidden agenda, no intention to cause upset.
I'd better stay out of the Military room in future. Seems that asking a reasonable question and being polite doesn't fit in.
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You're extensive reading list has evidently not given you enough insight to realise that RAF personnel are the political lackeys of no-one. Reading PPRuNe should have given you a clue.
Your post, implying as much, was bound to elicit a reaction from a community that is proud to do and say what is right, irrespective of external political agendas.
For your further education though, Wg Cdr Chan is a highly experienced and capable officer with uncompromising standards. That Typhoon is proving so successful now is in no small measure due to his past endeavours. Read between the lines of his statement though:
'purely from a pilot's perspective it's been an enormously enjoyable experience'
Wg Cdr Chan is at the front end of the biggest collaborative industrial programme in Europe. Some areas of such a complex programme, at such an early and pivotal stage, will inevitably be frustrating. Please consider that before obliquely questioning the integrity of such high calibre individuals. You were not polite.
Most importantly though, stay out of the Military Forum if you can't take some BANTER!
As to the unserviceable ac - it happens. Most, if not all, trails put considerable strain on ac, aircrew and groundcrew. It is not unusual to have a detachment scatterred across an entire continent until the gingers fix the broken bits with their usual dedication and professionalism.
For all manner of reasons, BAES get a bad press: some deservedly, some not. Typhoon has the potential to be a tremendous success and this is directly due to the dedication of a vast number of people across 4 countries, not least the boys on the shop floor at Warton and the RAF/civ servants that have been closely involved in the project. Unpalatable to 'Mail Readers' perhaps but true nonetheless. Typhoon is not out of the woods yet, but early indications are very promising.
Good Luck in Singapore dudes.
You're extensive reading list has evidently not given you enough insight to realise that RAF personnel are the political lackeys of no-one. Reading PPRuNe should have given you a clue.
Your post, implying as much, was bound to elicit a reaction from a community that is proud to do and say what is right, irrespective of external political agendas.
For your further education though, Wg Cdr Chan is a highly experienced and capable officer with uncompromising standards. That Typhoon is proving so successful now is in no small measure due to his past endeavours. Read between the lines of his statement though:
'purely from a pilot's perspective it's been an enormously enjoyable experience'
Wg Cdr Chan is at the front end of the biggest collaborative industrial programme in Europe. Some areas of such a complex programme, at such an early and pivotal stage, will inevitably be frustrating. Please consider that before obliquely questioning the integrity of such high calibre individuals. You were not polite.
Most importantly though, stay out of the Military Forum if you can't take some BANTER!
As to the unserviceable ac - it happens. Most, if not all, trails put considerable strain on ac, aircrew and groundcrew. It is not unusual to have a detachment scatterred across an entire continent until the gingers fix the broken bits with their usual dedication and professionalism.
For all manner of reasons, BAES get a bad press: some deservedly, some not. Typhoon has the potential to be a tremendous success and this is directly due to the dedication of a vast number of people across 4 countries, not least the boys on the shop floor at Warton and the RAF/civ servants that have been closely involved in the project. Unpalatable to 'Mail Readers' perhaps but true nonetheless. Typhoon is not out of the woods yet, but early indications are very promising.
Good Luck in Singapore dudes.
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The Blackpool Bugle article was accurate insofar as it went (or not inaccurate) but incomplete. If you ignore how late the programme is (and how much it has slipped even during the last 30 months) and if you ignore what are temporary annoyances with regard to clearances and minor technical problems the programme recently has gone surprisingly smoothly, the aircraft is showing enormous potential, and could be an export success. But the article you quote puts a very one-sided and positive spin on things.
With regard to your reception, this military aircrew forum can be a bit of a snake pit. For someone who has had no exposure to the service culture it might seem rude, unfriendly and insulting - but it's just regarded as playful banter.
If they've left your mother out of it, it wasn't meant rudely!
"F*çk off journo scum" or "F*çk off civvy" is therefore just a friendly greeting.....
With regard to your reception, this military aircrew forum can be a bit of a snake pit. For someone who has had no exposure to the service culture it might seem rude, unfriendly and insulting - but it's just regarded as playful banter.
If they've left your mother out of it, it wasn't meant rudely!
"F*çk off journo scum" or "F*çk off civvy" is therefore just a friendly greeting.....
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Lost_luggage34, gotta agree with the boys above. Colourful metaphors are part of everyday life round here. Don't take them too seriously and please hang around if you want to contribute further.