New Tanker Deal??
Hopefully the threat of Arfur Daley's shagged old ex-desert TriShaws seems to have receded:
AirTanker reprieve as EADS told to revise plan
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1087373571708
AirTanker reprieve as EADS told to revise plan
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1087373571708
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I asked some monkeys "in the know" yesterday and am told what BBB says is true. It would be a scandal were it not. The C130 (not sure about J yet) is cleared to rx from the venerable T*.
Apparently it wasnt always thus, after initially being cleared for a period of years,clearance was withdrawn but now reinstated.
Turbulence from the central motor is apparently mitigated by the T* reducing power on its middle wicket,posing a trim/balance problem for the T* crew but allowing the chocolate bomber to rx and keep its fin/hf aerials.
Any further advice welcome from T* experts and C130J lot.
Still dont change the fact we have no money.
Apparently it wasnt always thus, after initially being cleared for a period of years,clearance was withdrawn but now reinstated.
Turbulence from the central motor is apparently mitigated by the T* reducing power on its middle wicket,posing a trim/balance problem for the T* crew but allowing the chocolate bomber to rx and keep its fin/hf aerials.
Any further advice welcome from T* experts and C130J lot.
Still dont change the fact we have no money.
Last edited by betty_boo_x; 9th Jul 2004 at 11:18.
Jungly thing,
If you read the DPA or contractore websites on the FTSA PFI you will see a commitment to 75% RAF manning on the engineering side.
I know this is all up in the air right now and may well change.
If you read the DPA or contractore websites on the FTSA PFI you will see a commitment to 75% RAF manning on the engineering side.
I know this is all up in the air right now and may well change.
I just cannot see this deal going ahead. The Treasury think it will cost the MOD WAY too much. Knackered Tristars, or anything else similar will always be preferred because it is cheap TODAY. The fact that a few years down the line the RAF tanker force will be right back where it is now is irrelevant. The dirty deed will have been done by someone who has been posted on, doesn't care, never will. The operators, on the other hand, will be left with an old piece of junk wondering why they are so rarely consulted about what is REALLY needed. Typical.
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No trim or balance problems, just have to power the old girl up once every so often to keep the oil in the right place, as Messrs Rolls and Royce never envisioned needing to keep the RB211 at idle for long periods of time. Have the same restriction with Nimrod and similar with E-3D.
No trim or balance problems, just have to power the old girl up once every so often to keep the oil in the right place, as Messrs Rolls and Royce never envisioned needing to keep the RB211 at idle for long periods of time. Have the same restriction with Nimrod and similar with E-3D.
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BBB,thank you I was a little puzzled at the original explanation but took it at face value as the individual spoke with conviction (will I ever learn!).
Will be an interesting week with Big Gordon talking this afternoon.
I gather that "the suits" at EADS have been doing some fast talking these last few days and also that Boing (i know i did it for fun) have not given up on the deal.
Its difficult to seperate the spin from the fact these days.
Will be an interesting week with Big Gordon talking this afternoon.
I gather that "the suits" at EADS have been doing some fast talking these last few days and also that Boing (i know i did it for fun) have not given up on the deal.
Its difficult to seperate the spin from the fact these days.
JunglyAEO,
I think the idea is that the 75% will be First Line with maybe a modicum of 2nd Line for deployable support. Anything deeper than that will be ALL contract.
If the PFI dies a death and they somehow manage to cobble together enough pennies to actually BUY the things, I would expect that the contract to blue suiters ratio will still be the same.
I think the idea is that the 75% will be First Line with maybe a modicum of 2nd Line for deployable support. Anything deeper than that will be ALL contract.
If the PFI dies a death and they somehow manage to cobble together enough pennies to actually BUY the things, I would expect that the contract to blue suiters ratio will still be the same.
