Just How good is the SHAR
"We're Learning the Wrong Lesson (again)......."
Do pop down the corridor and tell Buff that fact, Impiger, old chum! And preferably Ingram and Bliar as well.
Then 2 years out of the system??
Do pop down the corridor and tell Buff that fact, Impiger, old chum! And preferably Ingram and Bliar as well.
Then 2 years out of the system??
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Oakworth
I enjoyed your comment about the SHAR's pityful fuel load. At least we fight on the ACMI with our tanks on, unlike the F3 who comes to pay without tanks because 'in combat we would drop our tanks.' We always ended up doing in-house combat at the end of an ACMI sortie after the F3s bingoed home.
Hopefully AMRAAM might be integrated into the F3 by the time Typhoon finally comes on line!
I enjoyed your comment about the SHAR's pityful fuel load. At least we fight on the ACMI with our tanks on, unlike the F3 who comes to pay without tanks because 'in combat we would drop our tanks.' We always ended up doing in-house combat at the end of an ACMI sortie after the F3s bingoed home.
Hopefully AMRAAM might be integrated into the F3 by the time Typhoon finally comes on line!
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Black 'n Yellar,
who cares, as far as the rest of the world is concerned the SHAR and F3 community can play my d**ks bigger than yours till the cows come home.
The truth is you both have very small d**ks.
who cares, as far as the rest of the world is concerned the SHAR and F3 community can play my d**ks bigger than yours till the cows come home.
The truth is you both have very small d**ks.
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The Guys with the biggest *ick* flew AWG 11/12 equipped F4s before 1983 when the F15/16 team entered the fray.
RN/RAF/USN in F4J, F4K, F4M, F4S and of course the F4J(UK) could not be beaten in their day. But the kids today won't believe it .....
RN/RAF/USN in F4J, F4K, F4M, F4S and of course the F4J(UK) could not be beaten in their day. But the kids today won't believe it .....
Suspicion breeds confidence
A certain ex-CO of 801 was claiming 25 to 1 kill ratio against the F4K. 
I also must apologise for saying that the FA2 is comparable with the F18C. It is not. I meant to say F18A. Actually my comment was a paraphrase of something the CO of 800NAS said a couple of years ago. The Shars get teamed up with F18As when on detachment on US CVNs. The combination works very well by all accounts. His point being that in a fleet defence role, the aircraft proved similarly capable. Ground attack, different story. I knew this point would be more than controversial with some.
In case you are wondering why WEBF has kept so quiet, he's in Gib nursing a hangover and sharpening his sword.
Don't forget the excellent material below.
Sea Jet
I also must apologise for saying that the FA2 is comparable with the F18C. It is not. I meant to say F18A. Actually my comment was a paraphrase of something the CO of 800NAS said a couple of years ago. The Shars get teamed up with F18As when on detachment on US CVNs. The combination works very well by all accounts. His point being that in a fleet defence role, the aircraft proved similarly capable. Ground attack, different story. I knew this point would be more than controversial with some.
In case you are wondering why WEBF has kept so quiet, he's in Gib nursing a hangover and sharpening his sword.
Don't forget the excellent material below.
Sea Jet
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fair point I can see where your coming from. A word of advice though, as soon as anybody starts quoting kill ratios to you, stop listening. They only really exist in war and on instrumented exercises where the exercise scenario inevitably tips the balance in favour of one platform or another.
At the end of the day the SHAR is predominantly an AD platform, as such it does not stand comparison with any of the regularly used coalition assets, and yes I do include the F3.
I've seen Corsairs perform really well on an ACMI, it doesn't make them comparible with the F15.
By the way what happened to althenick? This is a classic case of starting the argument then walking away from the ensuing carnage.
Surely this thread has run its course, the SHAR pilots will be back soon (must down route with their new companies) and we'll be off round the houses again.
fair point I can see where your coming from. A word of advice though, as soon as anybody starts quoting kill ratios to you, stop listening. They only really exist in war and on instrumented exercises where the exercise scenario inevitably tips the balance in favour of one platform or another.
At the end of the day the SHAR is predominantly an AD platform, as such it does not stand comparison with any of the regularly used coalition assets, and yes I do include the F3.
I've seen Corsairs perform really well on an ACMI, it doesn't make them comparible with the F15.
By the way what happened to althenick? This is a classic case of starting the argument then walking away from the ensuing carnage.
Surely this thread has run its course, the SHAR pilots will be back soon (must down route with their new companies) and we'll be off round the houses again.
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Thanks for the last comment. This thread has run its course and I appologise for not getting back sooner.
Impiger hit the nail on the head about Air Supieirority.
Lets (Yawn) say that the falkland were invaded post 2006 and control of Stanely Airport was taken with runway intact, then even with the old hardware that the Argies have a present it would be very difficult for Sub/Surface warfare vessels to get near the Island to launch TLAM on Stanley Airport as MPA and Strike aircraft could operate with impunity.
Having said that SHAR is old aircraft and of all the UK's Air combat assets I Suppose (grudgingly) that it should be chopped. Though why 'Blue Vixening' some GR7/9's is not an option eludes me.
The 1st Sea Lord Alan West lost his ship to air attack in 1982. I'm surprised that he hasn't fought the SHAR's corner Harder. I can hope that he has the courage of his convictions when he recently stated that If he had to go to war with a credible Air Defence platform then he would have to say 'cant do' to the government.
Thanks for the last comment. This thread has run its course and I appologise for not getting back sooner.
Impiger hit the nail on the head about Air Supieirority.
Lets (Yawn) say that the falkland were invaded post 2006 and control of Stanely Airport was taken with runway intact, then even with the old hardware that the Argies have a present it would be very difficult for Sub/Surface warfare vessels to get near the Island to launch TLAM on Stanley Airport as MPA and Strike aircraft could operate with impunity.
Having said that SHAR is old aircraft and of all the UK's Air combat assets I Suppose (grudgingly) that it should be chopped. Though why 'Blue Vixening' some GR7/9's is not an option eludes me.
The 1st Sea Lord Alan West lost his ship to air attack in 1982. I'm surprised that he hasn't fought the SHAR's corner Harder. I can hope that he has the courage of his convictions when he recently stated that If he had to go to war with a credible Air Defence platform then he would have to say 'cant do' to the government.
