RAF Regiment - or Army?
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Well as far as I know, the entire field force was in full swing during telic1, so there must be a demand for them.
However, I'm justa mere wannabe so don't take my word for it.
However, I'm justa mere wannabe so don't take my word for it.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
If one was being cut and replaced by the other a case could be made for it, if the costs of reorganisation could be shown, over time, to be less than the savings accrued.
But, of course, they won´t be. The Regiment will be chopped, the Treasury will take the money and the army will be given the job with no additional funding and told to fund it through "efficiency" savings.
So the tasks presently undertaken will never get done, as they will have a lower priority than the ones the army are struggling to meet now......
But, of course, they won´t be. The Regiment will be chopped, the Treasury will take the money and the army will be given the job with no additional funding and told to fund it through "efficiency" savings.
So the tasks presently undertaken will never get done, as they will have a lower priority than the ones the army are struggling to meet now......
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My Word.......
Not like the RAF to get bitter and abuse any anti-RAF posts.
Thank god I joined the Army.
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'they are a highly professional bunch because they are led by highly professional officers who are not there for the social éclat and do not leave all the management to the NCOs.'
Oh dear...have you ever actually been on ops with an Infantry Battalion?
I wish I'd spent 6 months at Sleaford Tech and then run around telling all how I could well be SF.
Cheers lads.
Very fuuny. When was the last time we used the RAF Regt to launch (a real) assault then?
They parachuted into Sierra Leone did they? First I'd heard of it. They're all Para trained all of a sudden? I bet the Paras will transfer in their droves.
This should be funny.......
Not like the RAF to get bitter and abuse any anti-RAF posts.
Thank god I joined the Army.
Flatus Somethingus wrote
'they are a highly professional bunch because they are led by highly professional officers who are not there for the social éclat and do not leave all the management to the NCOs.'
Oh dear...have you ever actually been on ops with an Infantry Battalion?
I wish I'd spent 6 months at Sleaford Tech and then run around telling all how I could well be SF.
Cheers lads.
Very fuuny. When was the last time we used the RAF Regt to launch (a real) assault then?
They parachuted into Sierra Leone did they? First I'd heard of it. They're all Para trained all of a sudden? I bet the Paras will transfer in their droves.
This should be funny.......
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Rotary Pongo,
I took the liberty of finding out the various jobs that 'the Regt' undertook on telic1.
1 sqn : Joined 16AAB to secure Rumalyah oilfields
2 sqn : Cat 2 support for SF
34 sqn : Provided force protection for elements of 3 Cdo Bde, and paired with a RM Coy
51/QCS : Provided support for joint helicopter force and took Safwan airstrip with USMC armour
Now obviously this is just the field force, and is just a generalisation of what their field of tasks were. I'm in contact with a serving Regt officer, so if you would like more gen I'll ask.
In regards to them being para trained, they must be referring to 2 sqn, which is para trained and jumps on a regular basis.
Hope this has been of interest for you!
I took the liberty of finding out the various jobs that 'the Regt' undertook on telic1.
1 sqn : Joined 16AAB to secure Rumalyah oilfields
2 sqn : Cat 2 support for SF
34 sqn : Provided force protection for elements of 3 Cdo Bde, and paired with a RM Coy
51/QCS : Provided support for joint helicopter force and took Safwan airstrip with USMC armour
Now obviously this is just the field force, and is just a generalisation of what their field of tasks were. I'm in contact with a serving Regt officer, so if you would like more gen I'll ask.
In regards to them being para trained, they must be referring to 2 sqn, which is para trained and jumps on a regular basis.
Hope this has been of interest for you!
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I'm sure the Royal Army would love some extra well trained manpower, it's not going to happen though. Loads of Army bods transfer over to us, and stay. I only know of 2 Regt bods transferring to the Army, guess what, they are both civvies now.
Funny how many Army posters there are on this thread, normally with a gripe about us. Jealousy is a terrible thing, my advice; stick to ARRSE. The Regt's main advantage over the Army of course, is that the average Gnr is invariably more intelligent than his Army counterpart (Infantry), we also reward and encourage initiative in the lower ranks, something I have noticed is actively discouraged in the Army (Inf).
Yes, we probably will lose GBAD to the Army, despite proving recently that we can operate the kit much more effectively. I gather most of the Army kits were operating - No IFF, Wpns Free
Well, if you pay peanuts..............
So, GBAD goes. Well, so what. We have many more strings to our bow. The Regt is quite safe, thank you very much. Trainee Gnr courses are running at max rate. Not like the ATE Nr Camb 20 trg teams sitting around doing nothing - no students
Or is it another investigation
Retention is good, and promotion is also back to cold war rates. Not complacent, just confident in our worth
Funny how many Army posters there are on this thread, normally with a gripe about us. Jealousy is a terrible thing, my advice; stick to ARRSE. The Regt's main advantage over the Army of course, is that the average Gnr is invariably more intelligent than his Army counterpart (Infantry), we also reward and encourage initiative in the lower ranks, something I have noticed is actively discouraged in the Army (Inf).
Yes, we probably will lose GBAD to the Army, despite proving recently that we can operate the kit much more effectively. I gather most of the Army kits were operating - No IFF, Wpns Free
Well, if you pay peanuts..............So, GBAD goes. Well, so what. We have many more strings to our bow. The Regt is quite safe, thank you very much. Trainee Gnr courses are running at max rate. Not like the ATE Nr Camb 20 trg teams sitting around doing nothing - no students
Or is it another investigation Retention is good, and promotion is also back to cold war rates. Not complacent, just confident in our worth
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The infantry are primarily trained as offensive forces, ie take ground, hold it, move on to take more. Defence is something they do (for quite a short time, in open warfare) as a result of a successful offensive phase.
RAF Regt are trained to protect and escort RAF assets in an active environment - which is not the same as above.
Particularly with the infantry being amalgated in droves (see Telegraph 16 July) it is probably more effective to have a dedicated RAF protection force, rather than rotate Army infantry through what they would see as a secondary task.
The parallel I'd draw is with the Marines. In all the recent discussions no-one has suggested, as far as I know, moving them to Army control, despite the fact that they are probably far more integrated with the Army (they have attached REME, RE, Gunner units all the time) than RAF Regt.
RAF Regt are trained to protect and escort RAF assets in an active environment - which is not the same as above.
Particularly with the infantry being amalgated in droves (see Telegraph 16 July) it is probably more effective to have a dedicated RAF protection force, rather than rotate Army infantry through what they would see as a secondary task.
The parallel I'd draw is with the Marines. In all the recent discussions no-one has suggested, as far as I know, moving them to Army control, despite the fact that they are probably far more integrated with the Army (they have attached REME, RE, Gunner units all the time) than RAF Regt.
The "Delivering Security in changing world: Future capabilities;" published on Wednesday lists the force structures required in a range of different sized scenarios. In every one of them the line on RAF Regiment lists '9 RAF Regiment Field Squadrons'.
Being bored I looked at the RAF web site and can only find 5 of them, plus two to be brought up to full deployed size ( 3 and 63). Does this mean that the Rocks can look forward to forming two more Field Squadrons, or maybe re-role two of the Rapier squadrons for the chop?
(Sister married to a Rock Flt Lt, he would like to know but isn't allowed to ask......)
Being bored I looked at the RAF web site and can only find 5 of them, plus two to be brought up to full deployed size ( 3 and 63). Does this mean that the Rocks can look forward to forming two more Field Squadrons, or maybe re-role two of the Rapier squadrons for the chop?
(Sister married to a Rock Flt Lt, he would like to know but isn't allowed to ask......)
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I understand your friend would like to know the difference between the Army and the RAF Regt. The answer will depend on WHAT he wants to do. Presumably he has the desire to be a soldier of some sort. If thats the case may i suggest that he considers the Marines. Undoubtedly the BEST soldiers in the British military.
If he's leaving school and seriously cosidering it then tell him to set his sights on the top and not to accept second best from the start.
Dash..............down...............crawl...............obs erve.
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I understand your friend would like to know the difference between the Army and the RAF Regt. The answer will depend on WHAT he wants to do. Presumably he has the desire to be a soldier of some sort. If thats the case may i suggest that he considers the Marines. Undoubtedly the BEST soldiers in the British military.
If he's leaving school and seriously cosidering it then tell him to set his sights on the top and not to accept second best from the start.
Dash..............down...............crawl...............obs erve.
Awaiting incoming !!!!!!
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hey good question and im a bit torn myself was army air corps and now considering rockapes well the infantry offer not very much and the RAF offer a better lifestyle so i say RAF REG.
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Surely this is all more a question of breeding..... the RAF accept people into the Regt for who they are, not for the size of thier bank balance, proof of £30k external income every year to support the 'Mess Life', and being related to Fin Tim, Lim Bim, Bus Stop Ftang Ftang Olay Biscuit Barrel.
Admittedly, not talking about Infantry Regiments here.... entry requirement - A Pulse!
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I agree with A D Enuff, if you want to be an officer and a soldier the Royal Marines is the way ahead.
So long as you don't mind a spot of naked drinking!!
You'll be in the company of some of the finest people in the British Armed forces. It's a banter rich environment, much better sense of humour than the pongos!
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/141.html
So long as you don't mind a spot of naked drinking!!
You'll be in the company of some of the finest people in the British Armed forces. It's a banter rich environment, much better sense of humour than the pongos!
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/141.html
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"I understand your friend would like to know the difference between the Army and the RAF Regt. The answer will depend on WHAT he wants to do. Presumably he has the desire to be a soldier of some sort. If thats the case may i suggest that he considers the Marines. Undoubtedly the BEST soldiers in the British military."
What utter tosh..........the BEST soldiers in the British Military have long hair and Mexican tashes....end of story
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
What utter tosh..........the BEST soldiers in the British Military have long hair and Mexican tashes....end of story
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Always broken etc
Without doubt you are right. The hooligans get my vote (and that of Uncle Sam).
But do the maths: 4 x sqns of 4 x troops of approx 16. Add HQ, trg, and that's under 400.
Add some TA to cover the weekends, some with Green hats for the wet stuff. Can't do the maths but that's still not many, and as debate elswhere argues 'quantity is a quality'.
Oh, and I don't think they take direct entrants so prospective 'BEST in the British Military' has to start somewhere. And a good enough proportion have made that start in the RAF Regt.
Original Question with personal answers:
1.What attracts someone to join the RAF Regiment as a commissioned officer rather than the regular Army?
2.Given the choice for a school leaver, precisely what are the pros and cons of RAF Regt vs. Army?
1. 3rd on the list after RM and Inf but they wouldn\'t have me! (Honesty is the best policy)
2. With loss of GBAD fewer pros than last week. Remaining pros: RAF Regt much like the Army but without some of the more tiresome aspects of mess/regtl life (some guess work there but notwithstanding answer 1, I\'ve spent most of my career with Army! next tour also and I\'m still
).
Cons: no real command above sqn level. Old whinges I know but there is no RAF equivalent to the saying " there\'s a Field Marshal\'s baton in the knapsack of every Private".
If I was 18 again...........................1.RM 2.Army 3. RAF Regt (with apologies to all Regt colleagues from last 23 years)
Without doubt you are right. The hooligans get my vote (and that of Uncle Sam).
But do the maths: 4 x sqns of 4 x troops of approx 16. Add HQ, trg, and that's under 400.
Add some TA to cover the weekends, some with Green hats for the wet stuff. Can't do the maths but that's still not many, and as debate elswhere argues 'quantity is a quality'.
Oh, and I don't think they take direct entrants so prospective 'BEST in the British Military' has to start somewhere. And a good enough proportion have made that start in the RAF Regt.
Original Question with personal answers:
1.What attracts someone to join the RAF Regiment as a commissioned officer rather than the regular Army?
2.Given the choice for a school leaver, precisely what are the pros and cons of RAF Regt vs. Army?
1. 3rd on the list after RM and Inf but they wouldn\'t have me! (Honesty is the best policy)
2. With loss of GBAD fewer pros than last week. Remaining pros: RAF Regt much like the Army but without some of the more tiresome aspects of mess/regtl life (some guess work there but notwithstanding answer 1, I\'ve spent most of my career with Army! next tour also and I\'m still
).Cons: no real command above sqn level. Old whinges I know but there is no RAF equivalent to the saying " there\'s a Field Marshal\'s baton in the knapsack of every Private".
If I was 18 again...........................1.RM 2.Army 3. RAF Regt (with apologies to all Regt colleagues from last 23 years)
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But do the maths: 4 x sqns of 4 x troops of approx 16. Add HQ, trg, and that's under 400.
Officers get a troop command, some come back for a Sqn command, three get a Regt command. (The two TA Regts have reg Lt Cols as CO).
From a career perspective I'd agree with others and suggest RM as being an excellent career choice for a young wannabe officer. Second option would be Royal Engineers, who are superb in my experience, and have Para and Marine elements.
So fellow PPRuNers the tally seems to be to either go ahead and join the RAF Regt or the RM. Let's get this straight then.... if you want to do some soldiering you join the ground combat arm of either of the 2 services NOT the Army! Being different might account for this...or not.
Big Unit Spec. You never answered about service on the Winged Wheel, so did you? Were you at LUNGI? Enjoy Kabul.
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