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This question came up on another board. I'm pretty certain the answer is "no", but p'raps one of you could oblige.
Would fitting JTIDS to the GR9 give it the capability to fire AMRAAM when working in conjunction with a Sea King ASaC 7?
Would fitting JTIDS to the GR9 give it the capability to fire AMRAAM when working in conjunction with a Sea King ASaC 7?
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AMRAAM/GR9
No, the launch aircraft needs to prime and support the missile.
You "could" just carry the 120 and loose it off in Boresight. Known to some as "pitbull" mode.
Also, just to carry and release requires a fair amount of integration work, so cost v capability (assume no own radar) would rule it out.
You "could" just carry the 120 and loose it off in Boresight. Known to some as "pitbull" mode.
Also, just to carry and release requires a fair amount of integration work, so cost v capability (assume no own radar) would rule it out.
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Cool, I think the one that I am due to go to will run between the 31 July and 07 August, I am planning on being there for a few days before that to assist the previous camp with various things (whole camp runs 24-31Jul). Looking forward to it
Cool, I think the one that I am due to go to will run between the 31 July and 07 August, I am planning on being there for a few days before that to assist the previous camp with various things (whole camp runs 24-31Jul). Looking forward to it
Whatever euphemism you use (Love Truncheon, Sex tube, Horn pipe.....) I think that matelots should keep their appendages firmly stowed in their bell bottomed trousers. The sight of one is potentially menacing to any heterosexual male, inverted or otherwise.
Suspicion breeds confidence
A question came up on another board which I would like to throw open here.
"Does the Harrier GR9A offer any credible air defence capability for the fleet following the demise of the Shar?" - Discuss.
In my opinion, the answer is "no". When used without the support of an AEW platform the GR9 would not be able to intercept any target except by luck. In daylight and With the support of a SK7 it come close to the capability of a FRS.1 of 10 years ago. So, in theory the FRS1 tactics of 80s are still valid.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even with SK7 support, the GR9 would be unusable as a fighter at night or in bad weather. So, if our potential enemy chose to come by day then the GR9 has some potential, if he was inconsiderate enough to come by night then he has nothing but Sea Dart and Sea Wolf to stop him completing his mission.
I'm sure the FAA's AWIs are scratching their heads wondering how they are going make a silk purse out of sow's ear, but I'm sure they will come up with something creative.
"Does the Harrier GR9A offer any credible air defence capability for the fleet following the demise of the Shar?" - Discuss.
In my opinion, the answer is "no". When used without the support of an AEW platform the GR9 would not be able to intercept any target except by luck. In daylight and With the support of a SK7 it come close to the capability of a FRS.1 of 10 years ago. So, in theory the FRS1 tactics of 80s are still valid.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even with SK7 support, the GR9 would be unusable as a fighter at night or in bad weather. So, if our potential enemy chose to come by day then the GR9 has some potential, if he was inconsiderate enough to come by night then he has nothing but Sea Dart and Sea Wolf to stop him completing his mission.
I'm sure the FAA's AWIs are scratching their heads wondering how they are going make a silk purse out of sow's ear, but I'm sure they will come up with something creative.
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Ahhh well done! Aren't the Navy gay-tee hee. I do admit that this type of banter is pretty much SOP between the services and rightly so, but surely the line should be drawn at some journalist having a go. They are the enemy after all! - Bad show! Get back to your typewriter!
Just another point of interest, Jackonicko and other useful contributors/fantasists/fanatics may find the Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) more appropriate, I quote:
"If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter..."
Cheers
Just another point of interest, Jackonicko and other useful contributors/fantasists/fanatics may find the Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) more appropriate, I quote:
"If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter..."
Cheers
Until you have the balls to put some info in your profile, I'd suggest that you should perhaps show a little restraint in knocking others. I make it plain what I am - a UAS-trained PPL and aviation journo - and I'm one of many on this board who aren't current military aircrew. There are blunties, retired blokes, journos, wannabes, and interested observers. And the odd fantasist, too, I suspect.
Since you're new, with your one post, I'll cut you some slack, but would invite you to look at the good humour, tolerance and hospitality with which genuine military aviators tend to greet us interlopers. You might even care to emulate it.
With your lack of understanding of banter I suspect that your own credentials may be little stronger than my own.....
Since you're new, with your one post, I'll cut you some slack, but would invite you to look at the good humour, tolerance and hospitality with which genuine military aviators tend to greet us interlopers. You might even care to emulate it.
With your lack of understanding of banter I suspect that your own credentials may be little stronger than my own.....
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Of course the GR9/A doesn't offer a credible air defence solution. IT'S A BOMBER. Stick winders on it and given a good service from Freddy it can shoot down stuff by day in VMC. At night this is still possible but not likely.
I'm sure the esteemed AWIs _are_ scratching their arses, but at least they've still got a jet to fly.
I'm sure the esteemed AWIs _are_ scratching their arses, but at least they've still got a jet to fly.
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[...invite you to look at the good humour, tolerance and hospitality with which genuine military aviators tend to greet us interlopers. You might even care to emulate it.]
Jackonicko: Yes, the good humour, tolerance and hospitality does exist towards 'interlopers' as you call yourself... But after all your comments on good banter, the old Navy 'Rum bum and baccy' chat from a journo is a bit tiresome.
[...invite you to look at the good humour, tolerance and hospitality with which genuine military aviators tend to greet us interlopers. You might even care to emulate it.]
Jackonicko: Yes, the good humour, tolerance and hospitality does exist towards 'interlopers' as you call yourself... But after all your comments on good banter, the old Navy 'Rum bum and baccy' chat from a journo is a bit tiresome.
Action Lynx:
"All my comments on good banter....?" One comment, IIRC.
"the old Navy 'Rum bum and baccy' chat from a journo is a bit tiresome."
I made an exceedingly weak, and pretty unfunny but jokey reply to the comment: "I believe a sailors hornpipe can look quite menacing when viewed from an inverted attitude!" But it was clearly a joke, albeit a poor one.
Do keep a sense of proportion, old chap, take a chill pill or grow another layer of skin.
Utterly:
"I'll tell you who I fly for when you tell me who you write for....or haven't you got the balls?"
On Friday it was the Beeb, Time and a well-known 'spotter mag'. But don't worry about responding, cos I wouldn't want to place you in an awkward situation. I wouldn't want anyone on 849 thinking this journo was one of the enemy.....
"All my comments on good banter....?" One comment, IIRC.
"the old Navy 'Rum bum and baccy' chat from a journo is a bit tiresome."
I made an exceedingly weak, and pretty unfunny but jokey reply to the comment: "I believe a sailors hornpipe can look quite menacing when viewed from an inverted attitude!" But it was clearly a joke, albeit a poor one.
Do keep a sense of proportion, old chap, take a chill pill or grow another layer of skin.
Utterly:
"I'll tell you who I fly for when you tell me who you write for....or haven't you got the balls?"
On Friday it was the Beeb, Time and a well-known 'spotter mag'. But don't worry about responding, cos I wouldn't want to place you in an awkward situation. I wouldn't want anyone on 849 thinking this journo was one of the enemy.....
