RAF SAR Video - Why?
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RAF SAR Video - Why?
Okay, call me jealous, but why have the SAR boys got their own video on the RAF website, while the real front line have to share a 2 min vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The vids are very well done and sell the RAF a hell of a lot better than that poor sod cutting his finger in the supermarket! I guess the SAR boys were the only ones not on deployment at the time they had the money - rest of us were on det!!!!!!!!!
Have a look:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/videos/sar.rm
Wonder whats on the fishhead's site???????
The vids are very well done and sell the RAF a hell of a lot better than that poor sod cutting his finger in the supermarket! I guess the SAR boys were the only ones not on deployment at the time they had the money - rest of us were on det!!!!!!!!!
Have a look:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/videos/sar.rm
Wonder whats on the fishhead's site???????
Call me ignorant if you wish, but as an attempt at Devils' advocacy, what does the military SAR give over and above civil SAR ? Similar airframes, same quality of crew, and although I don't have figures, I reckon a large proportion of civil SAR rew are ex-mil.
Very useful those videos are too.
I hadn't previously thought of falling off a mountain or sinking my fishing boat but now I've seen the wonderful service that they offer perhaps I'll think again.
I hadn't previously thought of falling off a mountain or sinking my fishing boat but now I've seen the wonderful service that they offer perhaps I'll think again.
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The reason SAR needs to stay military would be that the SARboys generate a lot of good PR which goes some way to offsetting the bad PR from noise complaints etc.
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"I reckon a large proportion of civil SAR rew are ex-mil."
Which highlights one of the problems of creeping contractorisation.
The inccoming civilian companies always pick up relatively cheap ex-service personnel. What happens when that source runs dry?
"I reckon a large proportion of civil SAR rew are ex-mil."
Which highlights one of the problems of creeping contractorisation.
The inccoming civilian companies always pick up relatively cheap ex-service personnel. What happens when that source runs dry?
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Isn't SAR the ability to exercise a military capability - ie pulling those poor s0ds out of a bad place when told to go there on duty? I always thought getting our brave downed aircrew out of the brown stuff was the 'legit' reason behind it.
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Money!
You can get "anything", when you stress the payback to taxpayers from the military budget.
Denmark got EH 101's to replace S-61's. And six extra to run soldiers around.
Not much PR today to kill T72 tanks!
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(PS. The Austrian defence minister and Chief of defence tells me that their Eurofighters cost far less than the out of date medicine thrown out EACH year in Austria!)
You can get "anything", when you stress the payback to taxpayers from the military budget.
Denmark got EH 101's to replace S-61's. And six extra to run soldiers around.
Not much PR today to kill T72 tanks!
Best regards
(PS. The Austrian defence minister and Chief of defence tells me that their Eurofighters cost far less than the out of date medicine thrown out EACH year in Austria!)
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Mr Hinecap,
I believe you are confusing SAR (what our yellow/red & grey mil helos do) and CSAR or JPR, as it is fashionably now called.
The rest of you,
Get back to my original question! Why do those who go into harms way have to share a 2 min vid? Whereas those who have seen every episode of Eastenders since it started, except for a few weeks a year when they have to go south it is taped for them, get their own? They may be good looking but not that good.
Don't the frontline deserve better, after all SAR get a full page spread in RAF News just for getting airborne.
I believe you are confusing SAR (what our yellow/red & grey mil helos do) and CSAR or JPR, as it is fashionably now called.
The rest of you,
Get back to my original question! Why do those who go into harms way have to share a 2 min vid? Whereas those who have seen every episode of Eastenders since it started, except for a few weeks a year when they have to go south it is taped for them, get their own? They may be good looking but not that good.
Don't the frontline deserve better, after all SAR get a full page spread in RAF News just for getting airborne.
Don't the frontline deserve better
If you want to find out what a SAR pilot did today, read it in the papers,
If you want to know what a Harrier pilot did today, just stand at the bar and listen.
Why do those who go into harms way...
More power to the Yellow beasties.
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Mmm, what makes you think we don't face similar challenges on the real frontline?
- ECM and jammers don't work against RPG or 12.7 mm.
- Ever landed in the desert at night on zero mililux, I think the desert floor has the same PK as a cliff face.
- We don't always retire to a comfortable bunk with 3 square meals a day and then get 2 days off to recover - we have to go out again 10 hrs later.
- What do you call an 'op' - missing hill walker, drifting lilo, PR photocall?
Sure, we can read about SAR in the papers...........................
Mmm, what makes you think we don't face similar challenges on the real frontline?
- ECM and jammers don't work against RPG or 12.7 mm.
- Ever landed in the desert at night on zero mililux, I think the desert floor has the same PK as a cliff face.
- We don't always retire to a comfortable bunk with 3 square meals a day and then get 2 days off to recover - we have to go out again 10 hrs later.
- What do you call an 'op' - missing hill walker, drifting lilo, PR photocall?
Sure, we can read about SAR in the papers...........................
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Hi,
Everyone faces challenges in their own way.
Why not chat to the ex SH (inc SF SH) blokes who have swapped over to yellow hats. Ask them how easy it is.
It is no fun milliluxless brown-out landings. SAR has the same problem too, together with whiteouts and continuous sea spray. Often during sorties mostly re-planned in flight with few, nice Wx, day recces.
Like most military jobs, SAR will most likely be moved to the civilian sector as will elements of SH (FI example), Tankers - an important miltary asset, all flying training (eek), right down to station guards.
It would be best to stop the in fighting and realise that none of our roles are totally secure.
When FJ goes unmanned they could be flown by civilian computer geeks from somewhere safe thousands of miles from the rough stuff.
Think about it !
Cheers,
lurkio
And now, back to the Guinness.
Everyone faces challenges in their own way.
Why not chat to the ex SH (inc SF SH) blokes who have swapped over to yellow hats. Ask them how easy it is.
It is no fun milliluxless brown-out landings. SAR has the same problem too, together with whiteouts and continuous sea spray. Often during sorties mostly re-planned in flight with few, nice Wx, day recces.
Like most military jobs, SAR will most likely be moved to the civilian sector as will elements of SH (FI example), Tankers - an important miltary asset, all flying training (eek), right down to station guards.
It would be best to stop the in fighting and realise that none of our roles are totally secure.
When FJ goes unmanned they could be flown by civilian computer geeks from somewhere safe thousands of miles from the rough stuff.
Think about it !
Cheers,
lurkio
And now, back to the Guinness.
Twinact, I agree that ECM and jammers don't work against RPG or 12.7 mm, but climbing several thousand feet will.
The SAR Chopper cannot carry enough winch cable to help him stay at a safe height.
(Perhaps if the winch weights ate fewer pies, they could put thinner but longer cable in)
Mike Tells, in the Forces no one is spared when it comes to pssng contests, ever seen a bluntie twirl a biro, its magic. Makes a Harrier jockey look clumsy.
The SAR Chopper cannot carry enough winch cable to help him stay at a safe height.
(Perhaps if the winch weights ate fewer pies, they could put thinner but longer cable in)
Mike Tells, in the Forces no one is spared when it comes to pssng contests, ever seen a bluntie twirl a biro, its magic. Makes a Harrier jockey look clumsy.
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What?
How do you land, get the troops onto the ground, you can't stay at several thousand feet! SAR don't need several thousand feet of cable because they never face that threat.
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Yep SAR was on AI during Corporate, civvies could have operated there as it was a long way north!
Mike,
Thanks, but I come back to the original question why their own vid?
How do you land, get the troops onto the ground, you can't stay at several thousand feet! SAR don't need several thousand feet of cable because they never face that threat.
WE Branch
Yep SAR was on AI during Corporate, civvies could have operated there as it was a long way north!
Mike,
Thanks, but I come back to the original question why their own vid?