Fighter Controllers?
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I was one of the "Freddies" at Yeovilton in my former life. A fighter formation will usually be able to find the enemy unaided. What the FC does is tell you about the guy you didnt see on your radar - and thus save your life.
To those who knock FC's - I suggest you go to the ACMI at Waddington and have a try at controlling a 16 v 8 and see for yourselves just how hard a job it can be. I always thought the RAF's problem was not enough face to face aircrew / controller debrief, which was one of the RN's strengths and why us SHAR Squadron "D''s" were such good controllers.
As an aside I would love to hear from some of my ex RN FC mates, inparticular "Elvis", "Pepsi", "JC", "Toby", "Stevie C" (RAF Exchange) and the legendary "Maureen". Would love to hear from ex 801 people "Ackle" "Pebbles" "Ridge" "Budget" "Chisel" "Parts" "Benny" "Swampy" "Debbie" and off course "Pikey".
ATPL nearly finished - "Parts" I owe you a beer as I understand you got your half stripe before I got my ATPL!!!
To those who knock FC's - I suggest you go to the ACMI at Waddington and have a try at controlling a 16 v 8 and see for yourselves just how hard a job it can be. I always thought the RAF's problem was not enough face to face aircrew / controller debrief, which was one of the RN's strengths and why us SHAR Squadron "D''s" were such good controllers.
As an aside I would love to hear from some of my ex RN FC mates, inparticular "Elvis", "Pepsi", "JC", "Toby", "Stevie C" (RAF Exchange) and the legendary "Maureen". Would love to hear from ex 801 people "Ackle" "Pebbles" "Ridge" "Budget" "Chisel" "Parts" "Benny" "Swampy" "Debbie" and off course "Pikey".
ATPL nearly finished - "Parts" I owe you a beer as I understand you got your half stripe before I got my ATPL!!!
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Badge or Brevet? I hate to get into pedantic git mode [no, I quite like it really], but does noone read QRs (no, of course they don't!). They are all flying badges except PJI (note lower case) - QR 206 refers.
The Flying Badge (note Capitals) is the one worn by we of the TWMR (two-winged master race). All others with one wing are brevets - the etymolgy should give it away, the brevets are abbreviated versions, whatever letters they have - even RAF on the new ones.
And btw bullseye control , I believe I can answer your question:
It's the aircraft with two rotating devices on the roof, not one, and it answers to the name of Chinook...........
The Flying Badge (note Capitals) is the one worn by we of the TWMR (two-winged master race). All others with one wing are brevets - the etymolgy should give it away, the brevets are abbreviated versions, whatever letters they have - even RAF on the new ones.
And btw bullseye control , I believe I can answer your question:
There are some very short memories can anybody remind me which RAF airframe has probably conducted more Ops than any other in recent times?
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It's the aircraft with two rotating devices on the roof, not one, and it answers to the name of Chinook...........
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Dear Monkey,
JP is moving fast, but not that fast. Still a Wg Cdr at last sighting. As for the flying pay, it always did stop on posting. The demands for over-payment fell into two categories: those that forgot to notify PMA and those that were posted into jobs that included flying duties in their TORs. The forgetful bunch repaid, as they should have. The complaints came from those who had thought that they were rightfully entitled to flying pay by being annotated as airborne evaluator/assessors for the NAEW&CF Eval Team. Those posts had been drawing flying pay for several years before a petulent knee-jerk reaction from someone who couldn't stand the idea.............
JP is moving fast, but not that fast. Still a Wg Cdr at last sighting. As for the flying pay, it always did stop on posting. The demands for over-payment fell into two categories: those that forgot to notify PMA and those that were posted into jobs that included flying duties in their TORs. The forgetful bunch repaid, as they should have. The complaints came from those who had thought that they were rightfully entitled to flying pay by being annotated as airborne evaluator/assessors for the NAEW&CF Eval Team. Those posts had been drawing flying pay for several years before a petulent knee-jerk reaction from someone who couldn't stand the idea.............
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Slightly off topic . . . .. . . . . .
Have lost touch with one of the front enders up at Waddo who I guess would be the lowest rank there at the moment (P/O or F/O ?) Quiet guy but nice chap. Any one recognise the description can you get him on PPrune ?
Cheers
Have lost touch with one of the front enders up at Waddo who I guess would be the lowest rank there at the moment (P/O or F/O ?) Quiet guy but nice chap. Any one recognise the description can you get him on PPrune ?
Cheers
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Angler,
good to hear old 'Skinny' is still alive and kicking!
Now then, about your comments: 'those that forgot to notify PMA and those that were posted into jobs that included flying duties in their TORs'
Well, lets start with the first one. Since when has the individual been responsible for notifying PMA about where PMA had posted them? don't understand that one.
and flying duties in their TOR? hum, there lies the problem me thinks..... the vast majority of FC's, particularly the commissioned bretherin, believed that as Officers like professional aircrew, they might one day need to return to flying duties, when this was clearly not to be. The other slight problem there is that many of the senior FC's that I knew who were returning to the ground, were writing, or at least amending their own TORs, clearly for their own benefit!!
Now come on, lets face it; most FC's are good guys and galls and I have no qualms about flying with them etc. They are professional and keen and do an outstanding job. The problem lies however in the perception that many of them have that they are full-time professional aircrew, which they are not.
If thats what they want to do fine, but they should go thru' the same selection process blah as the rest of us have done.
Rant over
Kind regards & Regards to Skinny
The Swinging Monkey
You and I will well know of the numerous FC's that returned to bunkers, still getting FP, and in a lot of cases it was NOT recovered!
good to hear old 'Skinny' is still alive and kicking!
Now then, about your comments: 'those that forgot to notify PMA and those that were posted into jobs that included flying duties in their TORs'
Well, lets start with the first one. Since when has the individual been responsible for notifying PMA about where PMA had posted them? don't understand that one.
and flying duties in their TOR? hum, there lies the problem me thinks..... the vast majority of FC's, particularly the commissioned bretherin, believed that as Officers like professional aircrew, they might one day need to return to flying duties, when this was clearly not to be. The other slight problem there is that many of the senior FC's that I knew who were returning to the ground, were writing, or at least amending their own TORs, clearly for their own benefit!!
Now come on, lets face it; most FC's are good guys and galls and I have no qualms about flying with them etc. They are professional and keen and do an outstanding job. The problem lies however in the perception that many of them have that they are full-time professional aircrew, which they are not.
If thats what they want to do fine, but they should go thru' the same selection process blah as the rest of us have done.
Rant over
Kind regards & Regards to Skinny
The Swinging Monkey
You and I will well know of the numerous FC's that returned to bunkers, still getting FP, and in a lot of cases it was NOT recovered!
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What's a bit of flyimg pay that's gone astray? Hardly worth a mention.
What is though, new pay grades - Spec Aircrew with 16+ yrs £50 and coppers a day! What the **** .............
What is though, new pay grades - Spec Aircrew with 16+ yrs £50 and coppers a day! What the **** .............
